[Gemini]

Just read this article in the Globe & Mail (Canada):

"Where are all the female founders and investors?"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...e11578041/

Discusses why there aren't very many female entrepreneurs out there, and how women don't really help each other out in the start up fields (no wonder!) and what to do about it (why do we need to always do something about it?!?). It's like they wanna take every single last field out there, analyze why there is not exactly 50/50 male/female participation in it and then find ways to "level the playing field" in order to remove an actual or perceived "gender gap". Fuck that. Maybe there is a good reason why there is a gap. Maybe , on average, women can't handle the risk and commitment and toil involved in starting a new company and that is why it is so.

A bit of truth from one of the entrepreneur women at the end of the article:

“If you want to be an entrepreneur you can’t easily do motherhood at the same time, and nobody wants to hear that because it’s politically incorrect,” said Ms. Gilligan when asked to offer advice to other female entrepreneurs. “Women can have it all, they just can’t have it all at the same time.”

Ms. Gilligan did by waiting until age 37 to have her first child, once she established her first company.

[Aliblahba]

Women are too busy destroying everything around them.

[Menace]

Where are all the female coal miners? Where are all the female plumbers? Where are all the female garbage collectors? Where are all the female oil rig workers?

[Hades]

Women tend to get sabotaged pretty hard by other women. There was a news article about a women-only business a few years back (which crashed and burned) that went into this in detail.

Which one of you guys commented this?

Quote:

wkw
1:00 PM on April 29, 2013

Yes, where are all the cupcake and spa entrepeneurs?

[Hannibal]

Their idea of entrepreneurship is getting free shit from dudes they are never going to fuck.

It's no big surprise that a lot of women work for non-profit. Their definition of non-profit is not-your-profit.

[scorpion]

Entrepreneurship is an inherently masculine endeavor, in the sense that it requires bold action and extreme confidence. It's comparable to being an explorer in an earlier era. You are going out and attempting to make something out of nothing. It requires an external creative focus, and is comparable to other masculine creative pursuits that are focused externally, like sculpture, painting, music, architecture, etc... which create something outside of oneself to be placed in the world.

In contrast, the female creative urge is focused internally and most often realized through the birth and nurturing of her children. Failing that, her internal creative focus will manifest itself through a narrowly focused, solipsistic outlet like a personal or family memoir. The common theme is that the female creative urge is essentially incapable of offering the world anything but that which already exists - namely, herself - either in the form of her genes (her children) or an account of her existence (memoir).

Of course this doesn't mean that women can't successfully become entrepreneurs. We just shouldn't expect them to do so nearly in the same numbers that men do, for the same reason that men aren't lining up to be pre-school teachers.

[NY Digital]

There are so many damn female "bloggers" it's irritating. Instead of wasting away and getting fat while blogging about stupid shit no one cares about, they could spend time improving themselves, being good mothers, etc. but no it has degraded to a bunch of fat femcunts "blogging" online like someone gives a shit about what they're writing about.

[Nonpareil]

Quote:

'While Facebook’s Sheryl Sandberg is calling on women to ‘lean in,’ Ms. Gilligan argues what women really need is to be welcomed into the male-dominated entrepreneurial ecosystem and help to create more opportunity.'

Venture Capitalist: 'Here, take my money and double it within 24 months.'
Female Entrepreneur: 'Okay...but what if I lose it?'
Venture Capitalist: 'You will receive a Participant medal...because even though you fucked up, at least you tried!'
Female Entrepreneur: 'Okay!'

Participant medals, gentlemen...it's what it's all about.

[scorpion]

(04-29-2013 04:06 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

There are so many damn female "bloggers" it's irritating. Instead of wasting away and getting fat while blogging about stupid shit no one cares about, they could spend time improving themselves, being good mothers, etc. but no it has degraded to a bunch of fat femcunts "blogging" online like someone gives a shit about what they're writing about.

There is an entire subculture of female "lifestyle" blogs that are literally nothing more than the girl talking about what she meals she ate that day (with pictures!) and where she walked her dog.

[NY Digital]

(04-29-2013 04:20 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(04-29-2013 04:06 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

There are so many damn female "bloggers" it's irritating. Instead of wasting away and getting fat while blogging about stupid shit no one cares about, they could spend time improving themselves, being good mothers, etc. but no it has degraded to a bunch of fat femcunts "blogging" online like someone gives a shit about what they're writing about.

There is an entire subculture of female "lifestyle" blogs that are literally nothing more than the girl talking about what she meals she ate that day (with pictures!) and where she walked her dog.

We should have a thinktank discussing how to capitalize on this. After all, these women control the household purchases...

I realize we have a thread sort of on that topic but it's not enough of an in-depth serious talk. Chat preferably would be better.

[Katatonic]

(04-29-2013 03:44 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Entrepreneurship is an inherently masculine endeavor, in the sense that it requires bold action and extreme confidence. It's comparable to being an explorer in an earlier era. You are going out and attempting to make something out of nothing. It requires an external creative focus, and is comparable to other masculine creative pursuits that are focused externally, like sculpture, painting, music, architecture, etc... which create something outside of oneself to be placed in the world.

In contrast, the female creative urge is focused internally and most often realized through the birth and nurturing of her children. Failing that, her internal creative focus will manifest itself through a narrowly focused, solipsistic outlet like a personal or family memoir. The common theme is that the female creative urge is essentially incapable of offering the world anything but that which already exists - namely, herself - either in the form of her genes (her children) or an account of her existence (memoir).

Of course this doesn't mean that women can't successfully become entrepreneurs. We just shouldn't expect them to do so nearly in the same numbers that men do, for the same reason that men aren't lining up to be pre-school teachers.

Exactly. There's no safety net when starting a company. Every venture I've gone in to, I realize that although I'm taking calculated risks, there is a very real chance of failure and losing all of my money. That is generally just too much for most people to handle(especially women).

I have lost everything before, and I know that I may lose it all again. That doesn't deter me however, from pursuing what I believe is the correct path for me.

My reasoning is that: Afterlife or not, you only have this one life on earth. Why waste it by trading your very finite amount of time in life for a 9 to 5 job that pays a comparatively paltry wage(in regards to your time)?

A lot of people will disagree with me on this, and that's fine. We all have different roles we're suited for in life, and I really am thankful for those who are content taking the "safe" route.

[mistermister]

“greater risk aversion and a stronger emphasis on work-life balance,”

something like 12% of the population is engaged in entrepreneurial activity. even that number is hard to believe. in my mind it's much smaller. as an entrepreneur grinding it out in my business i've come to realize that very few PEOPLE are willing too...

put everything up (financially) to make a venture successful

walk away from a steady pay cheq to a "not" so sure thing

put in the hours required whenever and whatever that might be (flights, 12hr days, etc.)

deal with the naysayers and doubters

etc. etc. etc.

women don't want to be involved in this and I truly can't blame them. it's not for everyone let alone most men.

sure enough the government will legislate some stupid way of "leveling the playing field"

absolutely retarded.

[cardguy]

Hey Katatonic,

You talked about losing all your money in business ventures. Well - I'm curious. Are you doing well (eg rich) in the longer term?

Or still waiting to hit a home run?

I don't know any entrepeneurs. So - just curious...

[Katatonic]

(04-29-2013 05:07 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

Hey Katatonic,

You talked about losing all your money in business ventures. Well - I'm curious. Are you doing well (eg rich) in the longer term?

Or still waiting to hit a home run?

I don't know any entrepeneurs. So - just curious...

I haven't hit the "set for life" home run yet. I have made really good money though(One year I was technically in the 1%). Right now, if I lived off of my income rather than reinvesting it, I would be considered upper middle class. So no, I'm not rich yet.

In the period from mid 2009 to late 2011, I had a really bad run from investments that I was stuck in. The last year and a half has been a lot better to me, and I have begun salvaging an investment that went south after a business partner died. We'll see what the rest of 2013 brings about. My outlook is optimistic.

[LibertarianBootyHunter]

Scorpion I like your post brah ! Very insightful !

I laugh when i go on dates with girls and they tell me that they are very "adventurous" .

Adventure is essentially exploring unknown territory or circumstances with no guarantee of a good outcome. Their idea of " Being adventurous" is going to Europe for 4 weeks during summer.

Entrepreneurship is the closest thing to adventure in the modern world !

I never knew until i started trading Forex online and lost $1400. Doing something most people will not do with a possibility of financial ruin at worst or no success despite the hard work at best, is as Alpha as it gets.

And i guarantee most women entrepreneurs are either heads of family businesses that their fathers started , or are middle aged ex-housewives who run some kind of faggot business like a Vegan restaurant , flower shop or cup cake store that their husbands paid for so they don't get too bored at home.

[Blaster]

Just want to point out that entrepreneur is a fairly general term that encompasses anyone who starts a business on their own. But there's a substantial difference between founding a small business and founding a startup. The key difference is scalability. You can start a successful cupcake shop but it's not a startup unless or until there's a legitimate ambition to turn it into a regional or national chain (a few additional locations doesn't count).

[lurker]

(04-29-2013 10:33 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

Just want to point out that entrepreneur is a fairly general term that encompasses anyone who starts a business on their own. But there's a substantial difference between founding a small business and founding a startup. The key difference is scalability. You can start a successful cupcake shop but it's not a startup unless or until there's a legitimate ambition to turn it into a regional or national chain (a few additional locations doesn't count).

I'm going to disagree with your second point. Startup and entrepreneurial business are essentially synonymous, with the one real difference being that startup has the connotation of being associated with the tech industry.

The legitimate ambition to turn it into a regional or national chain makes you a prospective franchisor.

Also, a lot of you guys are keeping your blinders on. Yeah, there aren't a lot of female tech entrepreneurs, which is where our current zeitgeist is focused. However, there are plenty of women starting other businesses in industries that you don't give enough of a fuck about to ever realize they exist. Makeup companies. Cupcake stores. Restaurants. Clothing lines. Hell, Spanx... there's a woman entrepreneur success story right there. Are they entrepreneurial at the total rate men are? Probably not, unless you want to count "woman-owned businesses" really run by the husband. But they exist in decent numbers.

[Blaster]

Quote:

I'm going to disagree with your second point. Startup and entrepreneurial business are essentially synonymous, with the one real difference being that startup has the connotation of being associated with the tech industry.

The legitimate ambition to turn it into a regional or national chain makes you a prospective franchisor.

A franchisor is much closer to a startup than most small businesses. Also franchising isn't the only way to scale a business. A local BBQ restaurant might become more like a startup when they decide to scale to mass-market production of their BBQ sauce recipe. But there is a substantial change in leadership orientation between a startup and small business owner and there is a substantial difference in the business's effect on the economy as a whole. Different risks, rewards, pressures, etc. Of course, there are companies where the line between startup and small business is blurry, just like there are instances where the line between alpha and beta is blurry. My point is that despite all those differences BOTH count as entrepreneurship.

The reason most startups are technology startups has to do with the meaning of the word technology. Technology is about developing tools to solve new problems or solve existing problems more efficiently. Short of discovering a new, abundant supply of a natural resource, or implementing a simple first-order banking/lending/stock-market system where one does not exist, technology is the most fundamental way to achieve real economic progress. It makes sense in an economy saturated with national retail chains operating on razor-thin profit margins and highly optimized organization of resources (including human), the most disruptive companies involve new technology.

Internet startups get lots of attention, but there are lots of other technology startups. Biotech, for example: startups founded by biological scientists to develop and patent new drugs.