[Vacancier Permanent]

At "home", I'm focused on other aspects of my life. Going with the local women in Toronto after having been with fine women around the world is akin to settling on a hot dog after having dined at a 3 or 4 star Michelin accredited restaurants. No way back really. With all respect due to hot dogs as they can be quite tasty after a night of partying...

[rastignac]

(03-13-2013 02:12 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The guys who travel to other countries to get laid are the ones who are consisted unattractive in their home countries.If you can easily Getty laid in your home country it is not beneficial financially to travel to other countries.
The most common reasons for failing to get laid in your home country are being old, having no connections, being asocial etc.These guys tend to travel.

Silly. There are so few women in some countries (the US) worth approaching if you have international experience and the means to travel.

[Atlantic]

(03-13-2013 11:08 PM)rastignac Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 02:12 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The guys who travel to other countries to get laid are the ones who are consisted unattractive in their home countries.If you can easily Getty laid in your home country it is not beneficial financially to travel to other countries.
The most common reasons for failing to get laid in your home country are being old, having no connections, being asocial etc.These guys tend to travel.

Silly. There are so few women in some countries (the US) worth approaching if you have international experience and the means to travel.

Exactly. Greek Kamakis comment makes no sense.

Keeping with his logic:

People who travel to surf never surf back home.

People who travel to party never party back home.

People who travel to music festivals don't have music festivals back home.

People who travel to visit a new city don't have cities to visit back home.

[UrbanNerd]

Who in the hell wants to conform to what it takes to bang women in the USA & Canada? I know a bunch of dudes (and let me put the "no homo" here) that look better than me and travel even more than I do.

Their reason?

They don't want to adhere and SETTLE for what North America has become. Running after chicks, trying to be their friend and virtual taking ALL the risk where you don't need to do that in many foreign lands.

[rastignac]

The key to banging an Anglo women is to be a complete and total thug. That takes a lot of fucking work.

[RawGod]

(03-13-2013 03:46 PM)Kentucky Wrote:  

Asian explorer

Videogames
Anime
Fantasy novels
Internet
Comic books
Soft drinks

Absolute bullshit with regard to the Asian solo male travellers I have met. Most of the ones I've met are into surfing, diving, play in a band etc etc. They are not typical of their countrymen.

Basically, a worthless thread.

[Asaxon]

This theory runs into trouble with flag collectors and world travellers. I have spent years in Europe, the US, a year in SA, now 3 months in SE Asia. Especially in SE Asia I met a lot of forum members who are anything but nerdy (Fisto, travelhardcore, DVY, kdog., scotian...) and all have no problem "pulling" at home.

[Kdog]

Horse shit thread Kentucky. Smarten up.

[presidentcarter]

I've always wanted to explore and see the world. I've always enjoyed being thrown into an unknown environment and learning to adapt.

When I truly realized the contrast between domestic and foreign women...it was like my desire to travel/move abroad was exponentially increased.

I've banged hot women here, had LTRs with an 8/9, and part of me still wants to stick around because I believe if you can game American hos then you've beaten the game on the hardest setting...but it's a grind and just not that interesting anymore.

Asia - I'm too young to die
South America - Hey, not too rough
FSU - Hurt me plenty
Europe - Ultra-Violence
America - Nightmare!

[Partizan]

(03-13-2013 11:44 PM)Irishman Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 11:08 PM)rastignac Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 02:12 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The guys who travel to other countries to get laid are the ones who are consisted unattractive in their home countries.If you can easily Getty laid in your home country it is not beneficial financially to travel to other countries.
The most common reasons for failing to get laid in your home country are being old, having no connections, being asocial etc.These guys tend to travel.

Silly. There are so few women in some countries (the US) worth approaching if you have international experience and the means to travel.

Exactly. Greek Kamakis comment makes no sense.

Keeping with his logic:

People who travel to surf never surf back home.

People who travel to party never party back home.

People who travel to music festivals don't have music festivals back home.

People who travel to visit a new city don't have cities to visit back home.

Alot of what Kamaki says should be taken with a grain of salt. Now he does offer us some insightful nuggets of info but at times he ventures a little off course and here is one of those occasions. I like many others here love the thrill of the chase especially when abroad as you feel that no one is watching you. I go flag hunting and I have captured the Slavic Holy Trinity (Russia, Ukraine & Belarus) which is a nice little ego boost.

Ever since I first went and lived abroad in EE I knew this was it. There was no going back. When I returned to Ireland and compared to what I saw on my travels to Bulgaria, Serbia and Macedonia to what was on offer in Ireland, it was a big comedown. I could never look at a local woman again. One of the previous posters alluded to the old analogy of 'grass is greener on the other side', well bully for you mate.

If better looks, attitude and manners has the likes of myself and others here traveling abroad for quality then so be it but I dont need the likes of Kamaki stereotyping us all as a bunch of losers.

[rudebwoy]

Partizan - no need to justify yourself mate!

I am sure you don't give a shit what people think, I know I don't.

I do like your Holy Trinity as you call it, I am debating what Balkan country to return to this summer as we speak.

To compare my local talent to the talent I have socialized with in other countries is laughable.

[WestCoast]

Depends on how you look at it. I actually agree with kamakai (only at the high end).

If you are George Clooney, there is no reason to leave, you get top talent and top money.

For 90% of men, they can upside by leaving. A guy worth $500K will do "okay" in the USA, a guy with $500K abroad does much better. Same story, average guy in America is devalued on a relative basis to the world dating market.

USA = ATM. Gtfo when you can.

[rudebwoy]

(03-14-2013 03:20 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Depends on how you look at it. I actually agree with kamakai (only at the high end).

If you are George Clooney, there is no reason to leave, you get top talent and top money.

For 90% of men, they can upside by leaving. A guy worth $500K will do "okay" in the USA, a guy with $500K abroad does much better. Same story, average guy in America is devalued on a relative basis to the world dating market.

USA = ATM. Gtfo when you can.

The George Clooney/Brad Pitt reference is pointless.

You are using the money argument to justify getting girls. I know guys who have that sort of dough and they are getting gold-diggers.

The countries I like are a different universe to where I live. A thirty year old in Canada thinks she has options, her equivalent in Central/Eastern Europe knows the score and will easily be better looking.

[WestCoast]

Yeah I agree.

If you are famous/super high status whatever in the USA then there is no reason to leave.

My good buddy gets hit on all the time + bartender. He hooks up with a new girl every week including girls who have been in playboy magazine. A complete monster.

Then again he is a 9.5 in looks (modeled many times), makes $200K+. So for him he doesn't care about traveling. His life is far from normal, when I don't feel like spending cash I just go party with him, he gets free drinks at every single bar and club from the bartenders (chicks he has banged).

I am not making a money argument per se more of a high status/high power. Ie: if you are 0.01% on USA, no reason to leave.

Vast majority won't be like this so we should all leave the country for better pussy.

The original post in this thread is also preposterous and is simple "stereotyping" and holds no real qualitative/quantitative value.

[rudebwoy]

I would slightly disagree with some of your points. Although I rate America highly for the standard of living and material goods, if I had the money I still would leave for Europe. After all, even Clooney spends a lot of time in his house in Lake Cuomo.
I also have a friend with good looks, he doesn't have the money but acts like he does and he also goes through girls like water. That is good for him, for me it is a dog-fight and quite frankly who wants to do all that work for mediocre girls. I can go somewhere and use my "exotic" factor to feel special for a few weeks instead of another face in the crowd. The plus side is that these places I go to have better looking women or as VP stated "why eat hot dog when you are use to grade A steak".

[Timoteo]

Exactly. The Clooney example is slightly flawed in that the two LTRs he was in before Stacey Kiebler were foreign-born women, and he spends a lot of time in Italy at his Lake Como home. I get the premise that wealth/status/power gives the American man more options in terms of women on the looks scale, but is the quality of the person better? These women might still be fucked up entitled bitches. In fact, they're probably more entitled because they're used to being with men that have more to give/share.

Even the Brad Pitt example is flawed because even though Angelina is technically American, they both spend a lot of time living away from the US, and have adopted foreign children. It's as if BOTH want out of the US whenever they can to experience other cultures.

[WestCoast]

(03-14-2013 04:02 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I would slightly disagree with some of your points. Although I rate America highly for the standard of living and material goods, if I had the money I still would leave for Europe. After all, even Clooney spends a lot of time in his house in Lake Cuomo.
I also have a friend with good looks, he doesn't have the money but acts like he does and he also goes through girls like water. That is good for him, for me it is a dog-fight and quite frankly who wants to do all that work for mediocre girls. I can go somewhere and use my "exotic" factor to feel special for a few weeks instead of another face in the crowd. The plus side is that these places I go to have better looking women or as VP stated "why eat hot dog when you are use to grade A steak".

This pretty much sums up the bridge between kamakai and your points.

Your boy has no reason to leave since he cleans shop, you benefit more by leaving him less so. In economic terms "marginal dollar of pussy" ha!

So yes I agree again most should just bounce and it's not due to being a "loser" or "bad with women" it's just that you want better quality.

The personality factor doesn't weigh in, not trying to find a wife or anything, so with that said if I had status like your boy or my friend I would never leave, just bang new girls and call it a life and exit when the gravy train dries up.

Think that bridges the gap?

Ignore the George Clooney/Pit example and stick with the regulars we know and it's the same. If you're cleaning up in the USA with 8-10's on the regular no reason to leave. Most have 0 shot at getting to that high level.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-14-2013 04:02 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I would slightly disagree with some of your points. Although I rate America highly for the standard of living and material goods, if I had the money I still would leave for Europe.

Where would you go?

[rudebwoy]

(03-14-2013 04:41 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 04:02 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I would slightly disagree with some of your points. Although I rate America highly for the standard of living and material goods, if I had the money I still would leave for Europe. After all, even Clooney spends a lot of time in his house in Lake Cuomo.
I also have a friend with good looks, he doesn't have the money but acts like he does and he also goes through girls like water. That is good for him, for me it is a dog-fight and quite frankly who wants to do all that work for mediocre girls. I can go somewhere and use my "exotic" factor to feel special for a few weeks instead of another face in the crowd. The plus side is that these places I go to have better looking women or as VP stated "why eat hot dog when you are use to grade A steak".

This pretty much sums up the bridge between kamakai and your points.

Your boy has no reason to leave since he cleans shop, you benefit more by leaving him less so. In economic terms "marginal dollar of pussy" ha!

So yes I agree again most should just bounce and it's not due to being a "loser" or "bad with women" it's just that you want better quality.

The personality factor doesn't weigh in, not trying to find a wife or anything, so with that said if I had status like your boy or my friend I would never leave, just bang new girls and call it a life and exit when the gravy train dries up.

Think that bridges the gap?

Ignore the George Clooney/Pit example and stick with the regulars we know and it's the same. If you're cleaning up in the USA with 8-10's on the regular no reason to leave. Most have 0 shot at getting to that high level.

Just to clarify, my "boy" does well with strippers by playing the money angle. Which as you know will only take you so far, so not really a big deal.

G - I am actually playing heads or tails in deciding if I want to go back to London, if anything else it is a great base to visit all these lovely Euro places.
I also have a great business idea for Iceland which I am seriously contemplating, although the cold is something I would not relish for too long. I am also a big fan of Scandinavia but again the weather has put me off. I have also looked at Hungary which is very centrally located and neighbours some other great countries.

When are you heading to Europe? Why not check out Stockholm which I promise you will like. I am sure it will be better than Latvia!

[WestCoast]

@ rudeboy

Gotcha makes sense. Still agree, vast majority should pull foreign, no point in the USA. Just tryin to bridge the gap to kamakai, my buddy has 0 reason to leave he pulls ridiculous tail, but is also a 9.5 + well off + above average game. His life is straight ridiculous, 8's literally wave him over to talk and have shots.

Also interesting call on Stockholm, slowly I'm being swayed to at least give EE a shot for one trip.

[rudebwoy]

@ WestCoast

Europe has alot to offer for everyone's taste as I am sure you know.

Kamaki did make those comments and I am sure he did not mean anything by it, but he has been hunting for women in off the path places for awhile.

[Jalouse]

I think the ease of getting quality women abroad is overblown, you can have a lot of factors against you that make it harder: language, bad logistics, not understanding the culture, no connections etc.

This harks back to an old G Manifesto post: Is the US the easiest place in the world to get laid?

[UrbanNerd]

(03-14-2013 08:58 PM)Jalouse Wrote:  

I think the ease of getting quality women abroad is overblown, you can have a lot of factors against you that make it harder: language, bad logistics, not understanding the culture, no connections etc.

This harks back to an old G Manifesto post: Is the US the easiest place in the world to get laid?

If you are willing to adhere to what the western world "feels" that a man SHOULD do to attract an American woman....then banging American women is not that hard.

If you are an black male who is college-educated and gainfully employed, you can bang black females (age 25+) all day by pretending that you are looking for marriage, etc.

[temujin]

Traveling short-term to get ass is a costly dead-end solution to a man's woes at home, like taking a hit of coke that wears off, leaving you craving more.

Having a life you can sustain abroad, in the place you want, for however long you want, is the way to go.

Having said that, a wise guy once remarked to me that the US is a great "logistical depot." Use it for what it's good for and skip the rest.

The OP is actually somewhat accurate with his descriptions, except I'd apply those categories to expats rather than mere visitors to those regions.

[LaPastillaRoja]

(03-13-2013 03:14 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Girls at home - entitled, deluded, out of shape on average, dumb, ungrateful, spoilt.

Girls abroad - appreciative, aware, slim on average, smart, grateful and hard working.

Spot on mate.....couldn't agree more. I especially find the enthusiasm and general intelligence of foreign girls to be very attractive and refreshing.