[sportbilly]

it is an interesting topic. I guess everybody has their own moral view on it. For me under 18 is off limits...but I know some people would not blink at far younger.......

[NY Digital]

I think age of consent in Spain. is 12 and 14 in Germany. that being said I wouldnt go below 13 or 14 with legality.
either way as a US citizen you can't go under 16 abroad... legally.

[esperar]

It's 13 in Spain. I wouldn't go with any girl who didn't have a nice, womanly body on her. That's my standard, not age. She has to have that womanly body. If I see a flat chest with no curves, I'm out.

[sportbilly]

no wonder the economy in Spain is fucked. Half the male population are binning off work and standing outside the local school with a packet of spangles!

Wonder if Jimmy Saville used to holiday in Spain?!

[WesternCancer]

(03-14-2013 01:15 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I like to date/bang 18-23. I don't like girls out of college. I have dated a few older girls and some were okay but most are too educated. They think they have it all figured out. They have been exposed to feminism and all that shit.

Younger girls are not aware of all that shit, yet. They just want to have fun. They don't care about the number of females in congress or the fact that males are paid more then females. They haven't taken those classes in college yet.

I have noticed a clear difference in the attitudes of college freshman versus the attitudes of college seniors. Fresh out of high school is the best. They know very little about politics and social policy. They think that is weird, boring, adult shit. Hahaha

College freshman only care about finding a social group to fit into, staying current on the latest teenage pop culture, and having fun. They just need a little attraction and a little alcohol -- and the sex is on!

Guys say that young girls are immature and they don't enjoy talking to them..???

So, does that mean that they would rather talk to an older, more experienced, more mature woman???

To me, "older", "experienced", and "mature" =

Teenage girls can talk all day about dreams, hopes, fears, passions. They are not sure of their place in the world, they are not sure what they want. They crave guidance, direction, leadership, clarity, answers, etc.

Teenage girls are perfect for the middle aged player. They are naive and eager for new experiences.

More info on banging college freshman here:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14257-...#pid237644

[esperar]

(03-14-2013 06:42 PM)sportbilly Wrote:  

no wonder the economy in Spain is fucked. Half the male population are binning off work and standing outside the local school with a packet of spangles!

Wonder if Jimmy Saville used to holiday in Spain?!

Nah, I think the age of 13 has some rules to go with it. I would stay away from a 13 year old in Spain and play it safe with someone a bit older, like 16.

[speakeasy]

(03-14-2013 05:08 PM)sportbilly Wrote:  

Serious question for those who answered they would go as low (age) as the law allows. Surely that is not correct, for example, let us just say that tomorrow the UK government said the new legal age of consent is 11 years old.........because it is legal, would you still go that low?

11 way is too young, obviously and that should be illegal. Girls that age simply shouldn't be having sex regardless of the age of the guy.

I'm only talking about post-puberty women. Women that are physically women with fully developed sexually mature bodies, not children.

[UrbanNerd]

(03-14-2013 05:59 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

I think age of consent in Spain. is 12 and 14 in Germany. that being said I wouldnt go below 13 or 14 with legality.
either way as a US citizen you can't go under 16 abroad... legally.

Actually, a U.S. citizen cannot go under 18 abroad. That was passed by Clinton. Now the key is IF the USA finds out but I would not chance it. Also, the U.S. lawyers that deal with "abroad cases" are hungry. If they cannot get you on actual sex, they will throw some "abiding a minor" charge of something. Either way, they WILL fukk up your record if they catch wind of you banging an under-18 in a foreign land.

Me?...I would keep the min at 18. I don't want to be looking over my shoulder or having "scared sex".

In the Dominican Republic (even though the AOC is 18), you see plenty of under-18 trying to get with travelers. Usually, it is the girls without proper ID. The "usual act" is when she cannot show proper ID at the hotel (or guard at the apartment), you give her some money to catch a motocoach and go right back to area you found her and get another chick (hopefully 18). They grow on trees down there, so you should fine a new chica is no more than 5 minutes.

[Excelsior]

I feel this question is best answered by older guys. That being said, as a young dude having had plenty of encounters with girls in the 18-22 range, I feel like my sweet spot in the coming years is going to be in the 23-28 range.

My issue thus far is that with younger American girls I find a large disconnect. Gio's description of them was actually quite on point-they just don't give a fuck, and I personally don't really connect all that well with that. I'm not a party guy-I don't really like alcohol much and I don't do any drugs. These girls just want to do molly, drink, party, etc. That's cool, but I don't really care all that much for that. And, frankly, I think I'd tend to bore them.

As Gio said, these girls have few cares. I'm simply too serious for that. Even as someone in their same age range (late teens) it was the same story. We're not on the same wavelength.
Sure, I can hook up with them, but I've not really enjoyed it all that much.

Yes, you can get more baggage with the older girls in the 23-28 range. The thing that intrigues me, however, is that they've had some time to go through with the whole "party" thing and see more clearly what they want and who they want to be. They are old enough to have figured some things out and perhaps become more open to a more laid back approach (sans drugs/alcohol/etc), but still young enough to maintain a good physical appearance. That, I suspect, will work better for me.

Time will tell if I'm right, of course.

[Screwston]

Athlone - how does it work with Americans in foreign countries and the age of consent? We talked about this before but I forgot.

[Excelsior]

(03-14-2013 09:20 PM)houston Wrote:  

Athlone - how does it work with Americans in foreign countries and the age of consent? We talked about this before but I forgot.

Well, for starters, this isn't true:

(03-14-2013 08:57 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 05:59 PM)NY Digital Wrote:  

I think age of consent in Spain. is 12 and 14 in Germany. that being said I wouldnt go below 13 or 14 with legality.
either way as a US citizen you can't go under 16 abroad... legally.

Actually, a U.S. citizen cannot go under 18 abroad. That was passed by Clinton.

The act that governs US sexual conduct overseas actually came after Clinton, and was signed by Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003

Here is what the law actually says (you can find the actual document in some of the links on that wiki):

Quote:

For the purposes of this law, illicit sexual conduct [note: this is what the law is prohibiting] includes commercial sex with anyone under 18, and non-commercial sex with persons under 16 when there is at least a four-year age difference or the person is under 12 years of age

In short:

-Age of consent for commercial sex is 18. This means that no American citizen can solicit paid sex from females under that age. If you do so (mistakenly or not, intent is irrelevant by the letter of this law) and American authorities find out somehow, you can be prosecuted.

-Age of consent for non-commercial sex is 16. This means that a US citizen can legally have consensual, unpaid sex with a 16/17 year old foreigner, as long as the laws in the foreign territory permit it.
If you're 19 or older and an American, 16 is the hard minimum age limit for you for unpaid sex with another person outside of the country. If you have sex with someone younger than that and American authorities find out, you can be prosecuted.

-There is a "Romeo and Juliet" clause built into this act: non-commercial (unpaid, consensual) sex with those under 16 is allowed only when there is less than 4 years in age difference (ex: 15 year old foreigner can consent to sex with 18 year old American). This clause is limited-nobody under 12 can consent to sex (ex: a 14 year old could not have sex with an 11 year old legally).

Quote:

Either way, they WILL fukk up your record if they catch wind of you banging an under-18 in a foreign land.

If it is insinuated that you paid for the act, then yes, that is true. Otherwise, don't worry.

[UrbanNerd]

Athlone...thanks for the breakdown.

Still....I was always one of those "I ain't chancing shyt types"....especially when I can breathe easy by tacking on a couple of more age years for comfort.

[Screwston]

[bojangles]

(03-14-2013 06:42 PM)sportbilly Wrote:  

no wonder the economy in Spain is fucked. Half the male population are binning off work and standing outside the local school with a packet of spangles!

Wonder if Jimmy Saville used to holiday in Spain?!

haha no lad Saville can't hit on the young girls legally in Spain, our age of consent (UK) applies to us worldwide. When i was in croatia recently I got approached by a girl who ended up being 15, I stopped talking to her straight away, think the age of consent is 14 but not for us lad. I avoid hitting on 16 year olds for the pure fact that a girl that age could be lying and won't likely have any ID (provisional driving license given to you when you turn 17), 17 is safer.

[Acute Angle]

(03-15-2013 04:46 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

... our age of consent (UK) applies to us worldwide.

Can we have a reference for that, because I've never heard of it before. It isn't mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_con..._and_Wales

[bojangles]

I believe it's ambiguous wording in Sexual Offences Act 2003 regarding sexual tourism, i'm not sure, but it's what i've been told, I'm not gonna go lower than 17 anyway.

[Acute Angle]

(03-15-2013 07:10 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

I believe it's ambiguous wording in Sexual Offences Act 2003 regarding sexual tourism, i'm not sure, but it's what i've been told, I'm not gonna go lower than 17 anyway.

For UK citizens, I think it has to be an offence in the country you're visiting. Unlike US citizens, who can be prosecuted for having sex with anyone under 18 in any country they visit.

I wouldn't go below 18 anyway and prefer over 20 because they are probably going to be more experienced and better in bed.

[j r]

A lot of people misunderstand age of consent laws. Like Athlone mentions above, the lower bounds generally come with some sort of number of years difference. If the age of consent is 16, that only applies to men within a certain number of years. Generally, if you're 21 and over, then the legal age is 18.

[Vitriol]

(03-14-2013 08:59 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Yes, you can get more baggage with the older girls in the 23-28 range. The thing that intrigues me, however, is that they've had some time to go through with the whole "party" thing and see more clearly what they want and who they want to be. They are old enough to have figured some things out and perhaps become more open to a more laid back approach (sans drugs/alcohol/etc), but still young enough to maintain a good physical appearance. That, I suspect, will work better for me.

Time will tell if I'm right, of course.

If you stay in the U.S. you're going to be disappointed. Even when I was going to professional school most of the girls still acted like they were in the 18-22 parties, gossip, and reality TV stage although they were older. My female co-workers are almost all in the age range you described and they're extremely immature. It's impossible for them to take anything seriously, so people who are capable of having serious conversations are "boring" to them.

(03-14-2013 09:28 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

The act that governs US sexual conduct overseas actually came after Clinton, and was signed by Bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003

Here is what the law actually says (you can find the actual document in some of the links on that wiki):

Quote:

For the purposes of this law, illicit sexual conduct [note: this is what the law is prohibiting] includes commercial sex with anyone under 18, and non-commercial sex with persons under 16 when there is at least a four-year age difference or the person is under 12 years of age

In short:

-Age of consent for commercial sex is 18. This means that no American citizen can solicit paid sex from females under that age. If you do so (mistakenly or not, intent is irrelevant by the letter of this law) and American authorities find out somehow, you can be prosecuted.

-Age of consent for non-commercial sex is 16. This means that a US citizen can legally have consensual, unpaid sex with a 16/17 year old foreigner, as long as the laws in the foreign territory permit it.
If you're 19 or older and an American, 16 is the hard minimum age limit for you for unpaid sex with another person outside of the country. If you have sex with someone younger than that and American authorities find out, you can be prosecuted.

-There is a "Romeo and Juliet" clause built into this act: non-commercial (unpaid, consensual) sex with those under 16 is allowed only when there is less than 4 years in age difference (ex: 15 year old foreigner can consent to sex with 18 year old American). This clause is limited-nobody under 12 can consent to sex (ex: a 14 year old could not have sex with an 11 year old legally).

Quote:

Either way, they WILL fukk up your record if they catch wind of you banging an under-18 in a foreign land.

If it is insinuated that you paid for the act, then yes, that is true. Otherwise, don't worry.

This is one of those feel good laws that gets put on the books to win votes and show how morally upstanding we are, but there's pretty much a snowball's chance in hell of actually enforcing it. Think about it...

[Divorco]

Quote:

In my state the age of consent is 16 and I have no qualms about that.

Okay guys. What if the girl is 18 and the guy is 30, or 40, or 50?

[sportbilly]

@ Bojangles...."no lad".....are you from Bolton?!

[Excelsior]

(03-15-2013 07:40 AM)j r Wrote:  

A lot of people misunderstand age of consent laws. Like Athlone mentions above, the lower bounds generally come with some sort of number of years difference. If the age of consent is 16, that only applies to men within a certain number of years. Generally, if you're 21 and over, then the legal age is 18.

This also should be clarified. Above, I mentioned that the lower bound for non-consensual sex for Americans abroad was actually 16. That is, in fact, the lower bound, even for men over 21. This is also the case in 29 US states. Thus, it is not accurate to say that "generally", men 21 and over have a lower bound of 18. That lower bound is, actually, usually 16 unless you're looking to pay for sex.

The regulations you are talking about that govern conduct with females below that lower bound for men under 21 are generally called "Romeo and Juliet" clauses. I described these above with regards to international ages of consent for Americans abroad. The lower bound is 16 for non-commercial sex, but younger girls are in play for men who are less than 4 years (that is, no more than 3 years) older than them. Ex: A 14 and 17 year old can legally get together, and a 15 year old is not off limits to an 18 year old guy. These unions are protected by the Romeo and Juliet clause. If you're 19 or above (doesn't matter how far above), your lower limit is 16.

These clauses exist in most US states as well. Teasing out the actual lower bound is not that difficult to do once you get your eyes on the actual wording of the law. Having examined the legislation in most American states and many European countries, I have concluded that the lower bound age limits (that is, the age at which an individual can give consent to an older individual of ANY age, assuming said individual is not a teacher or other kind of authority figure) are usually around 16. Again, that is the case in 29 out of 50 US states, and all but one European country if I recall correctly (Ireland).

[Excelsior]

(03-15-2013 08:06 AM)Vitriol Wrote:  

If you stay in the U.S. you're going to be disappointed. Even when I was going to professional school most of the girls still acted like they were in the 18-22 parties, gossip, and reality TV stage although they were older. My female co-workers are almost all in the age range you described and they're extremely immature. It's impossible for them to take anything seriously, so people who are capable of having serious conversations are "boring" to them.

Yeah, my time at college has not given me a tremendous amount of faith in my being proven right, but I'll still wait and see. I'm still convinced that quality women exist in the USA, even if they're harder to find.

Quote:

This is one of those feel good laws that gets put on the books to win votes and show how morally upstanding we are, but there's pretty much a snowball's chance in hell of actually enforcing it. Think about it...

This is true, but it is best to understand and abide by it whatever the case.

[Sargon of Akkad]

Considering what the law would allow, my lower age limit would be mid to late puberty (both mental and physical)...numerical age (in years) is completely irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned. If you have the body, mind and behavior of at least a mid to late adolescent, then you're good to go, in my opinion.

So far, the youngest two girls I've ever banged were 19 (I was 23).

[TheRookie]

The sweet spot in the U.S. seems to be before they start hitting the alcohol and bar scene. So for a more innocent girl, 20-22. For a slut, you never know because she could have had her fake ID at 16 getting into all the clubs she wanted. Those chicks are used up by 18.

There are still cultures that exist where being a bar girl, nightclubbing, and drinking lots of beer is shunned. The best girls I have been gaming in the past year in NYC are 20-22 year old Caribbeans.