http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/wife-of-...17682.html
Notice the extremely biased way that the article is written.
Infuriating.
Notice the extremely biased way that the article is written.
Infuriating.
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Cioffi-Petrakis told Shine that she (with much help from her parents) shelled out nearly $475,000 in lawyers’ fees over the years, and that her husband has paid more than $600,000. “And we haven’t even gotten to the divorce,” she said. Despite the fact that the couple have been estranged since 2010 when Petrakis first filed for divorce, the proceedings were put on hold by the court until the the prenup matter could be settled. Now the two will be able to move ahead to make their split official.
Quote: (03-11-2013 03:44 PM)Kitsune Wrote:
This article goes to show that the real winner in the divorce battle is the lawyer.
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Cioffi-Petrakis told Shine that she (with much help from her parents) shelled out nearly $475,000 in lawyers’ fees over the years, and that her husband has paid more than $600,000. “And we haven’t even gotten to the divorce,” she said. Despite the fact that the couple have been estranged since 2010 when Petrakis first filed for divorce, the proceedings were put on hold by the court until the the prenup matter could be settled. Now the two will be able to move ahead to make their split official.
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She also told the court the agreement included promises her ex never intended to keep. Among those promises, she said, was that he would add her name to the deed of their Old Brookville home, and that he would destroy the prenup after the birth of their first child.
Quote: (03-11-2013 04:05 PM)Menace Wrote:
I read the story. If he truly asked her to sign the prenup 4 days before the wedding as she alleges, then his attorneys badly advised him. One would think this fact would be readily ascertainable. You need to do that shit WAY early, like months before the wedding to avoid situations just like this.
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:07 PM)Timoteo Wrote:
I think the whole premise of coercion is bullshit. If she had a lawyer present or not, and didn't like the terms of the prenup, it's her responsibility to raise her objections and refuse to sign. You don't sign, go through with the wedding, then when you want out say you were forced to sign. You weren't forced - you, as an adult, have to make a choice, even if the choice is an unpleasant one.
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:07 PM)Timoteo Wrote:
I think the whole premise of coercion is bullshit. If she had a lawyer present or not, and didn't like the terms of the prenup, it's her responsibility to raise her objections and refuse to sign. You don't sign, go through with the wedding, then when you want out say you were forced to sign. You weren't forced - you, as an adult, have to make a choice, even if the choice is an unpleasant one.
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:02 PM)basilransom Wrote:
This is rule #1 of getting prenups - if you pressure your bride to be right before the wedding, there's a good chance the pre-nup will be thrown out if she contests it down the line. Instead, get that shit finalized weeks or months before. Rule #2 is make sure she has her own legal representation. This dude was being a dumbfuck and did neither. Given that, I'm not convinced this case is all that revolutionary.
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:29 PM)Celtic Wrote:
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:02 PM)basilransom Wrote:
This is rule #1 of getting prenups - if you pressure your bride to be right before the wedding, there's a good chance the pre-nup will be thrown out if she contests it down the line. Instead, get that shit finalized weeks or months before. Rule #2 is make sure she has her own legal representation. This dude was being a dumbfuck and did neither. Given that, I'm not convinced this case is all that revolutionary.
Go even further than just weeks or months before. Get the prenuptial in before you set a date, and make sure she has legal representation. Otherwise you have no chance.
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:16 PM)Lemmo Wrote:
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:07 PM)Timoteo Wrote:
I think the whole premise of coercion is bullshit. If she had a lawyer present or not, and didn't like the terms of the prenup, it's her responsibility to raise her objections and refuse to sign. You don't sign, go through with the wedding, then when you want out say you were forced to sign. You weren't forced - you, as an adult, have to make a choice, even if the choice is an unpleasant one.
If the legal system were concerned with treating women like adults, husbands wouldn't need to worry about having their assets seized in the first place. But this guy should have known he had to hire a separate lawyer for his wife so I don't have much pity for him.
Quote: (03-11-2013 07:30 PM)Timoteo Wrote:
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:16 PM)Lemmo Wrote:
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:07 PM)Timoteo Wrote:
I think the whole premise of coercion is bullshit. If she had a lawyer present or not, and didn't like the terms of the prenup, it's her responsibility to raise her objections and refuse to sign. You don't sign, go through with the wedding, then when you want out say you were forced to sign. You weren't forced - you, as an adult, have to make a choice, even if the choice is an unpleasant one.
If the legal system were concerned with treating women like adults, husbands wouldn't need to worry about having their assets seized in the first place. But this guy should have known he had to hire a separate lawyer for his wife so I don't have much pity for him.
Point taken, but if the husband hires the lawyer, she'd probably challenge on the premise that her attorney didn't act in her best interests in advising her to sign...HA HA! All she had to do was make sure she had kids. In the even of divorce, the woman and children don't get thrown out of the house, and he would have had to pay child support also.
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:39 PM)basilransom Wrote:
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:29 PM)Celtic Wrote:
Quote: (03-11-2013 06:02 PM)basilransom Wrote:
This is rule #1 of getting prenups - if you pressure your bride to be right before the wedding, there's a good chance the pre-nup will be thrown out if she contests it down the line. Instead, get that shit finalized weeks or months before. Rule #2 is make sure she has her own legal representation. This dude was being a dumbfuck and did neither. Given that, I'm not convinced this case is all that revolutionary.
Go even further than just weeks or months before. Get the prenuptial in before you set a date, and make sure she has legal representation. Otherwise you have no chance.
Yup, you're right. Didn't think of this until I saw more info on the case, as I indicate in my post above. In short, before you spend a single effing dollar on the wedding, get that prenup signed.
Haha, this might make the engagement process kind of hairy. Do you not announce your engagement until she signs a prenup? You probably won't want to buy her a valuable engagement ring, because she'll hold it hostage to avoid signing the prenup. She may try and pressure you into ditching the prenup, by threatening to break off the engagement and besmirch your reputation - but then you just grow a pair and not give a fuck if she does. Maybe the Roissy tack of making her propose is best - long before she proposes, you repeatedly, blithely state that you'd want a prenup, so that when she finally proposes, it won't come as a shock. The hardest part is not getting her to accept a prenup, it's getting her to accept one when she wasn't expecting one. It's like trying to make someone pay for something they're used to getting for free - the expectation is so strong that it will prove hard to change.