[speakeasy]

I've never seen a black PUA break down the FSU the way Roosh does. That's a data sheet I would love to read. I can't seem to find any consistent verdict with regards to black dudes and Russia/Ukraine. On one hand I hear about tons of racism and skinhead attacks. But I also hear individual anecdotes about black dudes doing fine and having no big problems stemming from race. It seems as though it's pretty much the wild west for black dudes and anything can happen with no way of predicting how well any one given brotha will do.

For me, there's just very little that interests me about that part of the world. I have little motivation to want to visit the FSU. Difficult language, racism, harsh weather, bad food, cold people, crime, crooked cops, industrial hell holes, the hoops you have to jump through to get a visa. I'll pass for now but kudos to my more adventurous brothas willing to go through all that and get some Slavic notches. I'll be somewhere with warmer weather and women.

[rudebwoy]

(01-02-2013 01:54 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I've never seen a black PUA break down the FSU the way Roosh does. That's a data sheet I would love to read. I can't seem to find any consistent verdict with regards to black dudes and Russia/Ukraine. On one hand I hear about tons of racism and skinhead attacks. But I also hear individual anecdotes about black dudes doing fine and having no big problems stemming from race. It seems as though it's pretty much the wild west for black dudes and anything can happen with no way of predicting how well any one given brotha will do.

For me, there's just very little that interests me about that part of the world. I have little motivation to want to visit the FSU. Difficult language, racism, harsh weather, bad food, cold people, crime, crooked cops, industrial hell holes, the hoops you have to jump through to get a visa. I'll pass for now but kudos to my more adventurous brothas willing to go through all that and get some Slavic notches. I'll be somewhere with warmer weather and women.

I have never been there but all the talk recently has made me keen, the quality in the above pics seems decent. The body language also looks like they are into the guys.
I do have two friends who grew up in Moscow and told me some pretty amazing stories.
I know another guy who raved about it, he would go there alot on business and reported no problems. I will also add that he is 6 feet 6 and a big mofo, so he can travel anywhere without a problem.
Moscow also seems to have a hip-hop scene so that obviously attracts a few girls, who I am sure are into the whole R n B/MTV thing. The city has a population of 11 million, so I somehow doubt that it would not be too hard to find some girls that are into black guys.

The violence of course is a concern, but then again I would not walk alone in most major cities in the USA at night never mind Russia.

[chochemonger1]

(01-02-2013 06:54 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 01:54 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I've never seen a black PUA break down the FSU the way Roosh does. That's a data sheet I would love to read. I can't seem to find any consistent verdict with regards to black dudes and Russia/Ukraine. On one hand I hear about tons of racism and skinhead attacks. But I also hear individual anecdotes about black dudes doing fine and having no big problems stemming from race. It seems as though it's pretty much the wild west for black dudes and anything can happen with no way of predicting how well any one given brotha will do.

For me, there's just very little that interests me about that part of the world. I have little motivation to want to visit the FSU. Difficult language, racism, harsh weather, bad food, cold people, crime, crooked cops, industrial hell holes, the hoops you have to jump through to get a visa. I'll pass for now but kudos to my more adventurous brothas willing to go through all that and get some Slavic notches. I'll be somewhere with warmer weather and women.

I have never been there but all the talk recently has made me keen, the quality in the above pics seems decent. The body language also looks like they are into the guys.
I do have two friends who grew up in Moscow and told me some pretty amazing stories.
I know another guy who raved about it, he would go there alot on business and reported no problems. I will also add that he is 6 feet 6 and a big mofo, so he can travel anywhere without a problem.
Moscow also seems to have a hip-hop scene so that obviously attracts a few girls, who I am sure are into the whole R n B/MTV thing. The city has a population of 11 million, so I somehow doubt that it would not be too hard to find some girls that are into black guys.

The violence of course is a concern, but then again I would not walk alone in most major cities in the USA at night never mind Russia.

My instincts tell me that if you are a non-white guy and it is your first time going, then you should first try a city in the Stans (i.e. Almaty, Tashkent) or a city in Russia with a high percentage of an ethnic minority like Kazan (47 percent Tartar).

I would bet that there would be more racial tolerance for darker skinned guys in these cities, and thus it would be a smoother transition than hitting a typical Russian or Ukranian city from the start.

I am planning on going to Kazan one month before I head to a city in Siberia during the fall, when I will hope to meet up with a few forum members.

[Roosh]

Quote:

My instincts tell me

Instinct is not as helpful as real-world experience.

[JofSuperman]

Great insight, I've had my eye on FSU women. Seems like it shouldn't be a problem for brothas if you stick to Hip-Hop/RnB night spots, and dress GQ.

[chochemonger1]

(01-02-2013 09:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

My instincts tell me

Instinct is not as helpful as real-world experience.

Agreed. That is why I am headed to Russia for 3 months this autumn, started the pimsleur russian course a week ago and trying to do as much research as I can.
Unfortunately, since there is not that much info on Russia (even less about non white guys experiences there) and there are so many cities to choose from.....then part of it has to be a gut decision.

[rationalize_this]

(01-02-2013 09:23 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

My instincts tell me

Instinct is not as helpful as real-world experience.

Agreed. That is why I am headed to Russia for 3 months this autumn, started the pimsleur russian course a week ago and trying to do as much research as I can.
Unfortunately, since there is not that much info on Russia (even less about non white guys experiences there) and there are so many cities to choose from.....then part of it has to be a gut decision.

Looking forward to some actual data beyond "your instincts" and "non-white guys" commentary.

[rudebwoy]

Choche - I thought you are a light skinned latino? I am sure you will blend in and have no incident.

Just to clarify in my previous post, all the guys I mentioned were black.

I would also state that I would never venture to Russia alone.

[chochemonger1]

(01-02-2013 09:27 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:23 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

My instincts tell me

Instinct is not as helpful as real-world experience.

Agreed. That is why I am headed to Russia for 3 months this autumn, started the pimsleur russian course a week ago and trying to do as much research as I can.
Unfortunately, since there is not that much info on Russia (even less about non white guys experiences there) and there are so many cities to choose from.....then part of it has to be a gut decision.

Looking forward to some actual data beyond "your instincts" and "non-white guys" commentary.

First of all Rationalize did you read the title of the thread? If you didnt want to read about non-white guy commentary, with regard to Russia and Ukraine, you should have skipped it.

As to reading data, be patient. That is the the point of the RVF Siberian meetup this fall.

Also, I believe I didnt make myself clear. When I said instinct it has to do with the many hours of research I have done so far. For example, I have read almost all the Russia, Ukraine, FSU threads and many wikipedia articles and talked to several travelers who have gone and lived in Russia.

Obviously, I wont know anything for sure till I am there. But as I said in The RVF Siberian Meetup Thread, I am definitely going.

[rationalize_this]

(01-02-2013 09:48 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:27 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:23 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

My instincts tell me

Instinct is not as helpful as real-world experience.

Agreed. That is why I am headed to Russia for 3 months this autumn, started the pimsleur russian course a week ago and trying to do as much research as I can.
Unfortunately, since there is not that much info on Russia (even less about non white guys experiences there) and there are so many cities to choose from.....then part of it has to be a gut decision.

Looking forward to some actual data beyond "your instincts" and "non-white guys" commentary.

First of all Rationalize did you read the title of the thread? If you didnt want to read about non-white guy commentary, with regard to Russia and Ukraine, you should have skipped it.

As to reading data, be patient. That is the the point of the RVF Siberian meetup this fall.

Also, I believe I didnt make myself clear. When I said instinct it has to do with the many hours of research I have done so far. For example, I have read almost all the Russia, Ukraine, FSU threads and many wikipedia articles and talked to several travelers who have gone and lived in Russia.

Obviously, I wont know anything for sure till I am there. But as I said in The RVF Siberian Meetup Thread, I am definitely going.

Choche- I wish I could have "skipped" over this thread, as I have absolutely no desire to read about theoretical data based upon race. However, when I see a forum member posting suspect data based upon "instinct", it is my duty, as well as Roosh's, to say something.

I don't care if you're a sociologist with a PHd in Russian nightlife. If you've never been there, no amount of "reesarch" you do is reliable.

I have not posted a single thing about a place I have never been. I suggest you follow that example.

[chochemonger1]

(01-02-2013 09:54 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:48 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:27 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:23 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Instinct is not as helpful as real-world experience.

Agreed. That is why I am headed to Russia for 3 months this autumn, started the pimsleur russian course a week ago and trying to do as much research as I can.
Unfortunately, since there is not that much info on Russia (even less about non white guys experiences there) and there are so many cities to choose from.....then part of it has to be a gut decision.

Looking forward to some actual data beyond "your instincts" and "non-white guys" commentary.

First of all Rationalize did you read the title of the thread? If you didnt want to read about non-white guy commentary, with regard to Russia and Ukraine, you should have skipped it.

As to reading data, be patient. That is the the point of the RVF Siberian meetup this fall.

Also, I believe I didnt make myself clear. When I said instinct it has to do with the many hours of research I have done so far. For example, I have read almost all the Russia, Ukraine, FSU threads and many wikipedia articles and talked to several travelers who have gone and lived in Russia.

Obviously, I wont know anything for sure till I am there. But as I said in The RVF Siberian Meetup Thread, I am definitely going.

Choche- I wish I could have "skipped" over this thread, as I have absolutely no desire to read about theoretical data based upon race. However, when I see a forum member posting suspect data based upon "instinct", it is my duty, as well as Roosh's, to say something.

I don't care if you're a sociologist with a PHd in Russian nightlife. If you've never been there, no amount of "reesarch" you do is reliable.

I have not posted a single thing about a place I have never been. I suggest you follow that example.

First of all Rationalize dont take things so seriously. I just ventured a simple guess about what I perceive would be an alternative way of going about, traveling in Russia as a non white guy. I was hoping someone who has been there would agree or disagree, in order to get more data and perspective.

By the way I have been to St Petersburg Russia for almost week and Kiev, Ukraine too but that was awhile ago, so nowhere in my post was I trying to give advice.

All I am trying to do is get as much data before I return to Mother Russia.

[rationalize_this]

(01-02-2013 10:10 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:54 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:48 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:27 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:23 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Agreed. That is why I am headed to Russia for 3 months this autumn, started the pimsleur russian course a week ago and trying to do as much research as I can.
Unfortunately, since there is not that much info on Russia (even less about non white guys experiences there) and there are so many cities to choose from.....then part of it has to be a gut decision.

Looking forward to some actual data beyond "your instincts" and "non-white guys" commentary.

First of all Rationalize did you read the title of the thread? If you didnt want to read about non-white guy commentary, with regard to Russia and Ukraine, you should have skipped it.

As to reading data, be patient. That is the the point of the RVF Siberian meetup this fall.

Also, I believe I didnt make myself clear. When I said instinct it has to do with the many hours of research I have done so far. For example, I have read almost all the Russia, Ukraine, FSU threads and many wikipedia articles and talked to several travelers who have gone and lived in Russia.

Obviously, I wont know anything for sure till I am there. But as I said in The RVF Siberian Meetup Thread, I am definitely going.

Choche- I wish I could have "skipped" over this thread, as I have absolutely no desire to read about theoretical data based upon race. However, when I see a forum member posting suspect data based upon "instinct", it is my duty, as well as Roosh's, to say something.

I don't care if you're a sociologist with a PHd in Russian nightlife. If you've never been there, no amount of "reesarch" you do is reliable.

I have not posted a single thing about a place I have never been. I suggest you follow that example.

First of all Rationalize dont take things so seriously. I just ventured a simple guess about what I perceive would be an alternative way of going about, traveling in Russia as a non white guy. I was hoping someone who has been there would agree or disagree, in order to get more data and perspective.

By the way I have been to St Petersburg Russia for almost week and Kiev, Ukraine too but that was awhile ago, so nowhere in my post was I trying to give advice.

All I am trying to do is get as much data before I return to Mother Russia.

So let me get this straight.

You're throwing out "guesses" about what an experience for a person would be in Russia, based upon race, and "hoping" someone will agree with you?

Is that not trolling?

Or am I taking you too seriously...

[el mechanico]

Give Choche a break here this thread came out of the hole as a race thread.

[chochemonger1]

(01-02-2013 10:15 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 10:10 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:54 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:48 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 09:27 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

Looking forward to some actual data beyond "your instincts" and "non-white guys" commentary.

First of all Rationalize did you read the title of the thread? If you didnt want to read about non-white guy commentary, with regard to Russia and Ukraine, you should have skipped it.

As to reading data, be patient. That is the the point of the RVF Siberian meetup this fall.

Also, I believe I didnt make myself clear. When I said instinct it has to do with the many hours of research I have done so far. For example, I have read almost all the Russia, Ukraine, FSU threads and many wikipedia articles and talked to several travelers who have gone and lived in Russia.

Obviously, I wont know anything for sure till I am there. But as I said in The RVF Siberian Meetup Thread, I am definitely going.

Choche- I wish I could have "skipped" over this thread, as I have absolutely no desire to read about theoretical data based upon race. However, when I see a forum member posting suspect data based upon "instinct", it is my duty, as well as Roosh's, to say something.

I don't care if you're a sociologist with a PHd in Russian nightlife. If you've never been there, no amount of "reesarch" you do is reliable.

I have not posted a single thing about a place I have never been. I suggest you follow that example.

First of all Rationalize dont take things so seriously. I just ventured a simple guess about what I perceive would be an alternative way of going about, traveling in Russia as a non white guy. I was hoping someone who has been there would agree or disagree, in order to get more data and perspective.

By the way I have been to St Petersburg Russia for almost week and Kiev, Ukraine too but that was awhile ago, so nowhere in my post was I trying to give advice.

All I am trying to do is get as much data before I return to Mother Russia.

So let me get this straight.

You're throwing out "guesses" about what an experience for a person would be in Russia, based upon race, and "hoping" someone will agree with you?

Is that not trolling?

Or am I taking you too seriously...

You are taking it out of context. Didnt you see the the phrase agree or disagree. Instead you emphasize the agree to make me look like a troll. Hoping, in the context of what I was saying, meant I was looking forward to data or advice. In other words, I wasn't looking for approval.

Look, with regards to the general point of not giving advice or posting data without having been there, I agree.
I have have lived, worked, studied and backpacked all over Europe for what must be more than 2 years total. But since that was when I was 17 to 25 and now I am in my mid 30s, I have never started a European thread or rarely given advice on European countries.

So Rationalize please dont use the troll word so lightly. Leave that to the moderators please. Posting is not only about sharing info or data but about seeking or asking, though I didnt do it as directly as you might have liked.

[jimukr104]

If yOu want a non white experience check Out happierabroad. Com. The guy is Asian and alot

[jimukr104]

Of non whites discuss things. But listening to there stories it seems they were usually scammed by girls. The forum owner himself gave up on fsu.

[el mechanico]

(01-02-2013 10:59 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Of non whites discuss things. But listening to there stories it seems they were usually scammed by girls. The forum owner himself gave up on fsu.

I'm drinking tonight too! Vodka and lemonade!

[chochemonger1]

(01-02-2013 09:45 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Choche - I thought you are a light skinned latino? I am sure you will blend in and have no incident.

Just to clarify in my previous post, all the guys I mentioned were black.

I would also state that I would never venture to Russia alone.

Rudebwoy I dont have a clue what to expect. The more research I do on Russia the more questions I have lol.
One thing for sure is that I would blend in a lot more easily in cities with a lot of tartars, uzbeks, kazaks, chechens, etc.
Best thing to do is just to go there and not think so much about things. Unfortunately, 7 months still remain and I have started studying Russian every day, so it is something that is always on my mind.
Seems like I need a trip to the DR next month

[elabayarde]

I think this was ment to be a discussion thread, versus data. As of right now we have no data from a Black players experience in Ukraine. (When I say this... I mean a black persons experience there... not a non-black speculated what it would be like) Or many places for that matter. I think this was just a thread to get thoughts rolling... but I could be wrong. I was told by a club manager in Montreal that, they lived in the Ukraine before montreal, and there was no comparison in the girls(Ukraine wins hands down). He said they were easier and waay hotter. I cant imagine that but. That what he says... so I will check it out soon as I can get an excuse to go.

[Virtus]

Teach some of the girls in the 6 and 7 category some makeup their sisters learned in the 9 category and you would not know the difference. As a Russian from Ukraine I can barely tell them apart because I can see the make up.

But yeah. you are a kind of trolling. With this am mount of data gathered before your trip I'd say you better off playing DnD

[jsmith198328]

I want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. I think we all even learned alot from sharing in this particular thread.

i also want to extend thanks to Roosh because it us his efforts that make it possible for us men all over the globe to share information.

Feminism and other elements have really screwed up the dating world for men in the USA and other parts of the world and in order to save ourselves from being both isolated, sex starved and single we have to unite together as men and share information so that we can make our dreams come true.

for me personally, i was once in a very bad situation and was having bad luck with women (american women) and about 8 years ago i discovered international movies and saw a huge difference in the way women are portrayed. And that was the beginning of my mind being opened and now in 2012 have so much information.

for the first time in my life...i have a strong sense of what excitement about what direction i want my life to take. And have these clarity first comes with having awareness.

It's a coincidence that he just wrote a book on Ukraine too because i now -- see very clearly what must be done as a black man to succeed in Ukraine.

1. Speak fluent Russian

2. Have a good social network of locals (preferably established africans who are doing well and banging the girls)

3. Stay in the Country for a minimum of a month.

4. Research get accurate intel (not gossip) on the environment you'll be visiting. i.e. find out about racisim in that environment first. Preferably from black men who visited the environment and did well banging the women there.

but even if Ukraine doesn't work out there are MANY other places to find beautiful females. After Ukraine i think i'll give montreal a try. maybe even croatia or estonia. but there are so many options.


Thanks everyone and thank you Roosh

[speakeasy]

Just stumbled across this blog from a black American soldier that said he got rock star treatment in Vladivostok. Supposedly all the racism stuff in Russia is concentrated in the European part of Russia. The culture in the far eastern part is supposed to be warmer and friendlier according to him:

Quote:

Once we make it to the parade area, the real fun begins. Not a minute goes by for the next two hours that we aren’t stopped and asked to have our photos taken. Women, beautiful tall women, grab me from left to right to take my picture. If this is the abuse I was worried about, then please… abuse me! In good English, in bad English, in no English at all, I am told how sexy and handsome I am and how much they love American black men.

http://followurhart.wordpress.com/2011/0.../#more-913

Being in a military uniform may have helped too since it seems like so many of great reports I hear from black men abroad are in the military. Just thought I'd pass this intel along.

Edit--

More interesting data:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15589532

Quote:

"There are perhaps 38% men to 62% women here," says Viktoria, a translator who speaks exquisite English.

"Many girls go to China and Korea to look for husbands. Chinese men come here, too, looking for wives. It is a kind of necessity," she adds.

[elabayarde]

(01-02-2013 10:49 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

From the videos I've watched the skinheads and biker dudes seem to be a lot of fun to hang with. I wonder if they pull a lot? I've seen the cops harassing them and they always have some hot girls around. As funny as it sounds I would probably get a bike and fall into that sort of social circle if I spent time there (not the race violence part)

As weird as it sounds being a darker colored american with perfect english....

I have many friends with very little hair(skinheads) and others with tattoos and Harley's. They arent really violent based on race. THey just, sometimes are violent PERIOD. But they will kick someones ass, who offends me much faster than anyone else. SSSSSOooooooooooooo......

I just am confused as to why, there is so much speculation and not people going places.

[bojangles]

interesting article, I've actually always wanted to go to Vladivostok, but it's miles away.

[Alexander]

Black guys going to Eastern Europe will need to be very good looking to hit the top tier, black basketball players living and playing in Eastern Europe get laid like bosses in many places in EE. When I was last in Ukraine the black guys there were generally with 6's, many of these guys were poor and ugly though, they come to Ukraine to study medicine. I think a black guy with a taste for FSU tarts can do well in Ukraine, but he has to be an 8+, or have a sizable amount of dough to throw around.

Compare that to the west where black guys do as good as anybody. I would say in many cases black dudes should not bother with Ukraine and Russia