[Tenerife]

(01-01-2013 06:55 PM)jerome Wrote:  

Another race thread to start the new year....

Roosh should have never commented on race dating and the totem pole...people don't realize roosh does not see all, its just his personal opinion. And he is not always correct. Its just his observation. That is all. One mans opinion.

Instead it started a race war for dating white women.

Is there such a thing as a race-denial troll? Because that seems to be what is going on.

The op (and many many others all over RVF, including Roosh himself) makes an observation about a REAL phenomenon occurring in the external world (that your ethnicity is more highly valued in certain niches) and this results in easier sex with attractive women.

Then the race-denial troll goes "ohhhhh gawwwd, you are so insecure, you need to get OVER yourself", as though race never matters.

[Asaxon]

I am the exact opposite of the op: "boring" white, engineering type. I got no great prospects in Berlin but the second I hit the US my market value goes up by multiple points, especially in the south where having a solid profession, being tall and having lived in Europe is as exotic as a Peruvian in Berlin. I am only semi-attractive in Asia but can clean up in Chile... The point is that your ability to pull and attract is highly different around the globe. A 3 in Bangkok can be a 7 in Rio.

[rivelino]

tenerife is exactly on point here, imo. race is real and race is something we should all consider, just like any other characteristic like height or body type.

and not to make it worse, but for example, speaking of body type, i have a thin frame and it is hard for me to gain muscle. now, i should still work out, and i do work out, but it's never going to be my thing. it will never be an area where i excel. and that's fine that i admit that. in contrast, i have tremendous visual sensitivity and visual talent. i simply see shit and feel shit that other people don't see and don't feel. talent exists and talent is real. we all have different aptitudes in life, and that is crucial to recognize. of course, hard work and determination pays off, but we have to be smart, be realistic, and focus and specialize. it's roissy's 3rd commandment, and he's right. so yeah, i will go to the gym, but i will spend much more time on my photography. makes sense.

so yeah, for a long time as a kid growing up i hated my race. i will admit that easily. but fuck all that. i don't live in the past. there are beautiful girls all over the world, and something for everyone. i personally now love being who i am. i still don't like my nose or my thin frame, but i actually am very proud of my mixed race features, i think i am kinda hot haha, swarthy and dangerous. and it helps that some really sexy girls are into me. those are the girls i want to go after, the pretty girls that find me interesting. no point in banging my head against the wall chasing girls that don't like my looks. what's the point?

race matters, confidence matters, everything matters. i don't think that this should distract us, though, from remembering all the things that unite us -- mainly, becoming better and more masculine men.

[rivelino]

"I am only semi-attractive in Asia but can clean up in Chile... The point is that your ability to pull and attract is highly different around the globe. A 3 in Bangkok can be a 7 in Rio."

EXACTLY.

well said, asaxon.

[Tenerife]

Simple explanations usually don't suffice.

You should always act as though race doesn't matter. I absolutely believe in focusing on your "sphere of influence": your confidence, style, humor, etc.

But that's not really the issue here with the OP. The op doesn't hate himself. He's not saying he isn't proud of who he is. He's observing an external process going on, relating to attraction and ethnicity.

@ asaxon, you say you're only "semi-attractive" in asia, even though you are white. how old are you and where in asia was this?

[Tenerife]

Also, "race threads" aren't always a problem. Roosh isn't against all race threads. It's just that race threads can easily turn sour when idiots hop in and the arguments turn bloody.

The op, in my opinion, articulated his case very well, and I think it's a good example of an appropriate race thread.

[Krauser]

(01-01-2013 05:25 PM)Scarecr0w Wrote:  

hey rivelino share the picture of the babe with me too!

He sent me a link to her modeling portfolio. Definitely a very pretty young girl.

[jerome]

(01-01-2013 07:00 PM)Tenerife Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 06:55 PM)jerome Wrote:  

Another race thread to start the new year....

Roosh should have never commented on race dating and the totem pole...people don't realize roosh does not see all, its just his personal opinion. And he is not always correct. Its just his observation. That is all. One mans opinion.

Instead it started a race war for dating white women.

Is there such a thing as a race-denial troll? Because that seems to be what is going on.

The op (and many many others all over RVF, including Roosh himself) makes an observation about a REAL phenomenon occurring in the external world (that your ethnicity is more highly valued in certain niches) and this results in easier sex with attractive women.

Then the race-denial troll goes "ohhhhh gawwwd, you are so insecure, you need to get OVER yourself", as though race never matters.

We know its true...whats your point, by talking about it, make it better....there is like over 100 hundread thread on this topic.

Its pure mental masturbation...constantly talking about race...jesus.

Why not just simply live your life....we all have advantages and disadvantages...

I know plenty of white guys who suck with women, there call engineers and they work in i.t.

White men will always have the advantage, the world is unfair....

Because they control the money, who controls the money control the world.

The game may change, since China may start to control the money...until than live your life....

[Tenerife]

(01-01-2013 07:38 PM)jerome Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 07:00 PM)Tenerife Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 06:55 PM)jerome Wrote:  

Another race thread to start the new year....

Roosh should have never commented on race dating and the totem pole...people don't realize roosh does not see all, its just his personal opinion. And he is not always correct. Its just his observation. That is all. One mans opinion.

Instead it started a race war for dating white women.

Is there such a thing as a race-denial troll? Because that seems to be what is going on.

The op (and many many others all over RVF, including Roosh himself) makes an observation about a REAL phenomenon occurring in the external world (that your ethnicity is more highly valued in certain niches) and this results in easier sex with attractive women.

Then the race-denial troll goes "ohhhhh gawwwd, you are so insecure, you need to get OVER yourself", as though race never matters.

We know its true...whats your point, by talking about it, make it better....there is like over 100 hundread thread on this topic.

Its pure mental masturbation...constantly talking about race...jesus.

Why not just simply live your life....we all have advantages and disadvantages...

I know plenty of white guys who suck with women, there call engineers and they work in i.t.

White men will always have the advantage, the world is unfair....

Because they control the money, who controls the money control the world.

The game may change, since China may start to control the money...until than live your life....

I don't really know where to start with this. The OP isn't even white. He's talking about how being non-white in germany was helpful in fucking a hot white girl.

Being white is definitely not always an advantage.

And it's not mental masturbation. It's like, why even talk about how game is different in different countries? Why even think? why breathe?

[thegmanifesto]

(01-01-2013 06:44 PM)Tenerife Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 06:14 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 05:09 PM)rivelino Wrote:  

yes, of course. it took me many years to get over my insecurities, in fact, i still have them and am still working on letting them go. but yeah, it's all in my head --

Ok.

As long as we agree it's all in your head.

I am trying to help. Like I said, it is important to come from a position of strength.

It depresses me when people aren't proud of their heritage.

(For the record, my best friend is half Asian, and does extremely well with girls and in life.)

@ gmanifesto, I see where you're coming from. Guys should feel good about their ethnicity and game with confidence. That's all good.

At the same time, ethnic issues DO matter. That's not an excuse to develop an inferiority complex, etc. But the fact is, given the same amount of effort, you will notice differences in success with women depending on how your ethnic makeup relates to your niche. It's not all in your head. And yes, to be honest, much of the time external factors (such as skin tone and facial features) absolutely trump all internal matters such as self esteem and swag. Sometimes (not all the time) if you have the right look you win.

Maybe I don't jump on board because I don't see it from where I stand.

I have never been to a place where my ethnicity is a negative or a positive. Or a least that I noticed.

I see guys of all ethnic groups getting fly girls.

Maybe I just see that because I roll in higher end joints.

Black cats complain on here about getting white girls. I don't see it that way.

I guarantee you go into the best club in NYC, LA, Miami where ever and there is a brother straight up killing it.

Internationalswagger and Hencredible both murder it.

They are dope cats. They would murder it anywhere.

I also don't see this "exotic advantage" that people talk about. Go to Miami Beach. Who is getting the fly Latinas? It's Latin guys. It is not like blonde, blue eyed guys mop up in Miami. They get stomped.

Who is getting the fly Mexican girls in LA? Mexican guys.

Who is getting fly Spanish girls in Spain? Spanish guys.

Who is getting fly Persian girls in San Diego? Persian guys.

Who is getting fly black girls in The ATL? Smooth brothers in the ATL.

Who is getting fly white girls in Newport Beach? White guys from Newport Beach.

Maybe I should just bow out of this thread.

My point was to help. Be proud of who you are. Good things will follow. That is my message.

[jerome]

[quote] (01-01-2013 07:48 PM)Tenerife Wrote:  

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Another race thread to start the new year....


I don't really know where to start with this. The OP isn't even white. He's talking about how being non-white in germany was helpful in fucking a hot white girl.

Being white is definitely not always an advantage.

And it's not mental masturbation. It's like, why even talk about how game is different in different countries? Why even think? why breathe?[/quote]
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Can you change your skin color? NO, so be proud of who you are, regardless if you are at a disadvantage.

Game is fluid...race is not.

It seem the op is proud of getting white girls, not beautiful girls...he seem to be obsess with getting white girls versus attractive women.

This constant obsession for white women, is due to self hate, being ashame of his race, inferiority complex, are just simply trying to date up.

If I was half peruvian like G said, I would be fucking proud that I was half Inca and half Japanese samurai....

That is my point, stop being obsess with white women....can he not be happy with a hot girl....

[rivelino]

"This constant obsession for white women, is due to self hate, being ashame of his race, inferiority complex,"

jerome, as much as i want to contradict you, there is some truth to what you are saying, and you make the perfect foil for this thread. you are, however, either inventing or projecting some of the points in your argument.

first of all, it's true, i am not attracted to girls who "look like me". is that some self hate? maybe. or maybe it's biological or evolutionary or whatever. i did find it weird when tiger woods married the whitest girl in the world, when he himself was a black/asian man. and i do find it odd when the successful black men always go for either white girls, or latinas, or light skinned blacks, but never for girls as black as them. i am thinking about michael jordan with that cuban chick, or about kanye singing about hooking up with "light skinned girls". the examples are everywhere.

second point, i am not into blondes! if i was, that would be more of an issue, in my mind.

and, this part is just not true:
"It seem the op is proud of getting white girls, not beautiful girls"

jerome, by any chance are you black or mixed or asian, and does it bother you that i am a mixed american man out there chasing white aryan chicks haha-- which i am not! you probably don't read my blog, but if you did, you would know that my obsession is in fact girls with dark hair and pale skin, the "italian girl" look i call it, which seems to be popular in spain, romania, serbia, croatia, etc. --- and in venezuela, colombia, and miami cuban girls -- although admittedly venezualan and colombian girls have slightly more tanned skin, but still, i think venezuelan and colombian girls are scorching hot. to me, these two girls just about define ideal beauty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjcTCWLNXQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cht5c1-xRzU

and these are mixed latin girls like me. i am NOT into the white blonde aryan girls. in fact, the only reason i started going after blondes is that they like me more! the dark haired girls in spain aren't into me as much, but the blonde spanish girls are into me more. it's true.

"proud of who you are, regardless if you are at a disadvantage."

1. i am proud
2. in germany, i am *not* at a disadvantage, i am at an advantage!!! did you read the original post?? the white blond girls find me exotic and mysterious, and that is awesome. again, i would rather have a venezuelan girl with that beautiful round ass and those big latin cat eyes, but fuck it, blondies are sexy too.

anyway, this is all fun to talk about, and again, even if you are not understanding my point fully, it is good for me to explain myself, because that is how i fully internalize what i myself am trying to say.

alright, gotta go catch my flight back to spain.

cheers everybody.

[nomis69]

@ Rivelino,

Did you find those Hollywood bashed false and misleading Asian stereotypes common in Germany?

[jerome]

i'm actually a minority who doesn't buy into negative stereotype.

I don't waste my time mentally masturbating and writing reports of how I overcame oppression of dating.

I never really believe in negative stereotype until i found RVF, where I found a culture of insecure men of color, who are worry if a white women would date them.

I do not put white women on a pedestal....white women is just another women. I view all women as beautiful equally.

At the end of day, regardless who you are, and who you are attracted to, you will still have to approach and find the truth.

Regardless of race, you still have to show up and participate in the dating game, even if you have to deal with racist...

Key to any success is to show up and to participate...regardless of the risk.

[Vicious]

I think the OP is not giving himself enough credit if he chalks thia up to his genes.

[Duke Castile]

Rivelino, I'm happy for you bro. Sounds to me like you're playing to your strengths. Roosh once wrote about there being a perfect spot. A city, with a bar, with a corner, where you are unstoppable. Sounds like you're getting there.

[The Fantasist]

I think that you should play up your differences and not hide behind them to get laid,it's more fun. I'm Jewish and travel in the FSU where if you scratch a Slav you find an anti-Semite ( in fact you don't need to scratch that hard they often wear their anti Semitism like a badge of honour ). I love the feeling I get when I'm bonding with new found buddies or girls over there,we are drinking,making toasts to each other's health,they are inviting me to their weddings and homes and then the question is asked,'so what religion are you?' ( a common one over there ). I always take a second,compose myself as I want to saviour the reaction and then drop the Jew-Bomb. Boom,a land mine just blew up in their face! "You're Jewish?" they ask incredulously reeling at their shock. I sit back laughing inside as there is silence. You can see their mind's working as they are unsure what to think or say. Eventually the uncomfortable silence is broken by a much common repost 'Jews are very clever' ( the undertone of that statement is 'yes clever enough to be the cause of every problem Russia has ever had' ). And after that the conversation is never quite as friendly again,I'm not one of them and never will be. Invites are quietly forgotten. I love those moments,it's a metaphorical slap in the face to ignorant people.

A friend of mine had the best Jew-Bomb ever,I mean ever. He travelled from Bishkek to Almaty on a visa run. He met up with this Kazakh girl through couch surfing in Almaty who offered him a sofa for the night,cool. Anyway they went out for dinner and to a club and the whole night she was going on about how she hated Jews,the girl loathed them,would not piss on a Jew if they were on fire,typical Central Asian small minded bollocks. Anyway he didn't say anything since he needed the sofa bed really badly. Anyway they got back to hers in the early hours and since she was quite attractive and willing he banged her,did her every which way he wanted and added a little extra on behalf of Israel. Then as they lay there smoking in bed she asked the age old question,'so what......' As he tells it dawn was breaking he didn't need a bed any more so he took a puff on his ciggie and cool as you like drops the Jew-Bomb on her. He said she just rolled over and cried herself to sleep. He let himself out. Nice.

Anyway all this whining about how other races don't want to bang a certain race is all first world problems to me. When you think what our ancestors went through,sat in the holds of boats across the Atlantic,subjugated in their own lands,conquested,marched into ovens, to get us to the point where we are now here able to travel and bang chicks and our biggest concern is that some dumb blonde in NYC doesn't want to bang me because I'm black/Asian/Indian/short/ginger as infinitum...It's meaningless. If Arab chicks won't bang me so fucking what?! Someone else will,so you have to bang your own race for ever,so what? Just go and bang the best example of your race you can find. That's a first world problem and an insignificant one at that. I was on a train once in India. I found an empty seat on a bench next to an Indian family and sat down and the fuckers told me to move,they didn't want a white person next to them,I was untouchable to them and polluting. I had to move,I was like the Rosa Parks of Rajasthan. It was funny as fuck. But again,first world problem,who cares.

[Duke Castile]

Man I'm glad that girl didn't cry rape or something....

[Asaxon]

Tenerife, I am talking about Thailand and it was a purely physical remark. As a white guy I carry a bit of stigma (sex tourism) for nonpro girls, I am very tall which seems a turnoff for them, being around 5'2 on average. Also I have a big frame. I saw other forum members getting way more attention because they were shorter, smaller etc. Mixed race guys did very well compared to me. I am 6'3 to 6'4, 204 pounds, 30 years old.

[rivelino]

(01-02-2013 12:29 AM)nomis69 Wrote:  

@ Rivelino,

Did you find those Hollywood bashed false and misleading Asian stereotypes common in Germany?

that's an excellent question. i wasn't there long enough to find out, but i am guessing no. i remember having an asian american friend in the states years ago who went to columbia, and he had researched this, he said how america did some sort of "smear campaign" on asian males, seriously, back in the early part of the century or so, well i don't know, but a while ago.

my friend said that before, asian men were seen as very sexual and dangerous -- in a good way -- and somehow, they were able to change that perception to the "small cock, dorky" stereotype that is alive now.

i am guessing that german girls don't buy into that stereotype. just a guess though.

[rivelino]

(01-02-2013 02:16 AM)jerome Wrote:  

I do not put white women on a pedestal....white women is just another women. I view all women as beautiful equally.

that's great man. that's better than me. i wish i found all women equally attractive, that would mean more options for me!

i am very specific as to what i like. i think there is some truth that i saw way too many pictures of cindy crawford growing up, she got burned into my head as the ideal beauty.

or maybe it's a chicken/egg question. who knows.

i find racial differences and strengths and weaknesses fascinating, and fun to talk about. i find different cultures fascinating.

[Greek kamaki]

The point is how much domination you can achieve.A Balkan individual coming to Germany will have to struggle.This land is hard to crack.They have always resisted.There are softer countries.
An Anglosaxon or Germanic can achieve dominance relatively easily in many places.If an average German,Anglosaxon,Slav and Mediteranean approach the same German girl she will choose the German or the Anglosaxon.Only if the Mediteranean comes from high class has some real chances.

Serbs and Russians are constantly portrayed in western media as bad guys,dangerous etc but this does not make them at all desirable in the eyes of western women.

[BoiBoi]

Good job!

[rivelino]

(01-02-2013 04:06 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Anyway all this whining about how other races don't want to bang a certain race is all first world problems to me.

you have to bang your own race for ever,so what? Just go and bang the best example of your race you can find. That's a first world problem and an insignificant one at that.

But again,first world problem,who cares.

1. the funny thing is, a white girl with blonde hair and blue eyes in germany can be and really is the same race as the white girl with blonde hair and blue eyes in california. they look identical. so it's not just race, it's also the culture that plays a role.

2. "you have to bang your own race for ever,so what?" i think this is the last time i am going to explain the situation. i realize it can be easy to get confused, but hear me out: MANY HISPANIC GIRLS WOULD RATHER BANG A WHITE MAN THAN A HISPANIC MAN. HOWEVER, SOME GERMAN WHITE GIRLS WOULD RATHER BANG A HISPANIC MAN THAN A GERMAN WHITE MAN. see what i'm saying? i think we could call this an arbitrage opportunity or something.

how about this. leaving white american girls completely out of the discussion:

-if while traveling around the world, i run into a peruvian or colombian girl, she is most likely not impressed by me. we are "too similar", plus i am sort of a sell out, cause i am not really peruvian, i am peruvian american, so she gets jealous and resentful cause i'm a gringo. so very unlikely that we will have chemistry. this has happened to me many times.

-if while traveling around the world, i run into a german white girl, there is a good chance that she will be intrigued by my exoticness, cause in germany, white is average and common, and there are many white man, and few exotic latin american men.

that's all i'm saying man. all i am saying is, in some places hispanics are highly valued. just like a black man in the bronx is common, but a black man in stockholm is intriguing and mysterious.

3. everything on RVF is a first world problem, isn't it? we are here to talk about getting laid, having fun, becoming better men. this forum wasn't created to talk about cancer and climate change.

[Asaxon]

Good points, rivelino. Race always gets people to react knee jerky so let's call it cultures for the purpose of this thread. What one can get out of this thread is this: If you are unhappy or do not get what you desire in one fish pond, try a different pond.
This does not mean you should not improve your market value and game at home but some factors are hard to change or overcome and it is quite the experience to go from average or below average Joe to a hot commodity, simply by taking a flight to a different country.