[speakeasy]

"Genital herpes transmission statistics have shown that male-to-female transmission is more efficient than female-to-male transmission. Simply put, it’s easier for men to give herpes to women than for women to transmit the disease to men."

So at least we guys are safer. Also, since 90% of people that have it don't know it, maybe the herpes scare is overblown. Sounds like most people by far will be asymptomatic.

As for the race thing:

"The largest increase of genital herpes is among young White teenagers."

[Willy Wonka]

Just out of curiosity... if you had herpes or molluscum or some other skin disease that could pass through skin-to-skin contact, you think you'd be good, if you left ya draws on, just stick ya dick through the hole and wrap it up with a condom?

Cotton boxers or boxer briefs would be between the skin-to-skin contact, therefore no skin-to-skin contact in this scenario.

I know it seems like a random question... just something I was thinking about.

[Roosh]

Many of you probably have herpes or HPV in you but never had symptoms.

[MiXX]

(03-30-2010 09:22 AM)Willy Wonka Wrote:  

you think you'd be good, if you left ya draws on, just stick ya dick through the hole and wrap it up with a condom?

Cotton boxers or boxer briefs would be between the skin-to-skin contact, therefore no skin-to-skin contact in this scenario.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! I would love to be a fly on the wall as you are explaining this to the girl you are about to bang for your B-day on Friday!

My stomach hurts form laffin' as I read this...thanks!

[Willy Wonka]

(03-30-2010 12:32 PM)MiXXmaster27 Wrote:  

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! I would love to be a fly on the wall as you are explaining this to the girl you are about to bang for your B-day on Friday!

My stomach hurts form laffin' as I read this...thanks!

LMAO.
Naw, it doesn't apply to me now.... so there's no problem with trying to bang her.

Don't know why, just thinking about like a year and a half ago.... I had molluscum and it cost me a notch, cuz I took this chick out for drinks and then wound up back at her place watchin a movie. Then after the movie, I didn't try to make a move, cuz I had molluscum. I wanted to fuck her, but didn't want to give her that shit, so I didn't say anything about it. I just got up and said I had to leave... it was like 4am and she was like, "Are you sure you're good to go? You can stay the night" And, I said, "No, I should go" - made out with her and left. Smh, never got the chance with her again.... she wound up back with her ex boyfriend.

Looking back on it I was just like damn, trying to explain her the situation and fucking her with my boxers on would have at least been better than no notch at all.... lol

[oldnemesis]

Some notes regarding to some posts above:

1. I strongly recommend against taking Valtrex regularly without doctor advice (the only thing which is worse is to take a couple of tablets during outbreak and skip the rest when you feel better). It is a prescription drug for a good reason. The last thing you want is to have your HSV developing resistance to acyclovir. Life will be MUCH worse.

2. HSV is retrovirus, so it is not possible to get rid of it once you got infected. You can have no outbreaks if your immune system is good, and you can limit them, but the virus is there.

3. You can get (or give) herpes from/by unprotected oral sex. Most cold sores on lips are caused by HSV 1, and you may get genital herpes from it. Look on her lips/tongue before sticking it raw.

[Caramel Communist]

Funny ass thread...

True story

I was dating this chick that was a model/actress..No lie this chick looked like Rosalyn Sanchez the actress. Anyways, we're both coming back from a dc lounge and we're heading back to my place. All of a sudden out of the blue she breaks down and starts crying. Well it turns out that after 3 months of dating and "relations" my little snookems has the "vapors"...

3 things go thru my mind when she tells me this:
-10 to 15 years in Jessup would probably be no joke for me..because the Caramel Communist may have to choke a bitch...
-this bitch just set me up because she approached me...
-I just got baited and switched on because my interrogation methods are sound and I asked her on at least 2 diff occasions about her "history" and she said "I'm clean".....

So I pull into 7-11 and proceed inside with her ballin outside in the car. I buy some water, gum, and look at recently delivered wapo. So being the revengeful and reciprocal bastard that I am, I proceed back to the car and give her a kiss on the cheek and tell her it's alright and that I wish you would of been honest and upfront because what you did to me is the same thing the man that gave it to you did...Plans change and I decide to drop her off at her house. I get out of my car, open her door and walk her to the house. At this very Tony Soprano moment, it hits me and I realize I have to get rid of this chick because she's a sociopath. All those tears were nothing but a ploy to keep me from getting overheated and kicking her ass.. So from this point going forward I act insane and stop answering the phone when she calls or make sure I'm not home when she tries to come over. After about 4 weeks of this bs she finally gets the hint and we go our separate ways..


Post Bitch Set Me Up - no Marion Barry
-I got tested for herpes and hiv twice- so far so good...
-Never trust a big butt and a smile...

[Roosh]

I'm pretty sure the original poster is a troll. There were a few other STD trolls during this time.

[Latino]

I think herpes is a big joke. I never use condoms and I haven't had a STD yet.

[DrArete]

(03-24-2010 06:30 PM)nielson Wrote:  

Thanks guys.

The only outbreak I've ever had was my first one that caused me to get diagnosed. I take Valtrex every morning. My ex gf and I had unprotected sex a lot (her idea) and I never transferred it to her.

Still, like you said speakeasy, I'm obligated to let a girl know.

I think there are only two things you can do to avoid getting it: 1) always wear a condom, and 2) don't be unlucky. I really think its just an odds game.

That is INCREDIBLY irresponsible.

Really, your best bet here is to just date another girl with herpes.

It is only a matter of time before you transmit it to someone else.

It sucks, but these are medical realities.

Also, if you have sex with someone, even with a condom, and do not tell them beforehand about having herpes, that is criminally irresponsible and unfair.

[DrArete]

[quote] (03-25-2010 04:57 PM)nielson Wrote:  

[quote='Roosh' pid='15233' dateline='1269488784']


The reason I keep taking Valtrex is because it cuts the chances of transmitting by 50%.

Herpes does not go away after a couple years. It's not like HPV. It stays with you for life (until some big money pharmaceutical comes up with a cure).

The odds of transmitting herpes while not an outbreak, taking Valtrex, and using a condom are probably very low. But does that mean I shouldn't ethically care about telling someone or not? (I'm wrestling with this question). Maybe it means I don't tell one night stand broads I take home from a bar, but with girls I like, take it slow and tell them before anything happens? What would you do Roosh?

As for herpes dating sites, yeah I could go that route, but it just seems fucked up that I have to limit myself to less than 20% of the dating pool.[/quote]


You should NOT wrestle with this question at all. It is very simple. There is a risk, and not a negligible one either.
People have been criminally prosecuted for knowingly infecting other people with an STD.
Even if that isn't a deterrent for you, consider this - how would you feel if you slept with a girl who "forgot" to tell you she has herpes, and then you ended up with a lifelong STD?

[clr]

dont forget if you have a cold sore, its HERPES! yay!!!!! Also I think the #'s are hugely underrated, think about the fact that 90% of people dont even know who have it. Those are only the ones who are getting tested. I used to get tested every 6 months or so..... I think the reality is if you are successful with women, even if you are obsessive about using a condom you WILL get an STD eventually.

Thats the only good reason for monogamy I can think of.

oh and Hydro, I was dating this fine black chick for about 9 months in NYC(open relationship/bi of course, she was a part time dom for while, what a shit tester she was) black guys used to hate on me all the time because she had a body/ass and liked to wear skin tight clothes... so much fun fucking around with it.... 2 bouncers were outside, 1 mumbling shit about me being white with a find black chick, I said, "I might be white, but I do it right" or something equally stupid, the other bouncer started laughing. Then we were going into target one day, some punks outside with no life mumbled "damn cracka", I started saying, cracka....crrrraaaakkkkaaa....CRACKA! over and over with a big fucking smile. Fun times I dont discriminate, I regulate! HA!

p.s. I sensed a troll from the first posting

[BigDonDickDangler]

Yo Dr.Earring- I take issue with your points on a few levels...

"Also, if you have sex with someone, even with a condom, and do not tell them beforehand about having herpes, that is criminally irresponsible and unfair."

How many chicks have you fucked? Rhetorical cause I could care less...but how many have ever told you...well if it is more than 4, that you banged, even though I doubt your judgemental ass has even crossed 10, on CDC stats then you've banged plenty of chicks with it who were 'criminally irresponsible'.Hell if you banged 10 that means 2-3 had it.

I think you really meant criminally negligent...which in plenty of states HSV-2 may or may not be a 'crime', yes you could be held civilly liable but you aren't gonna be doing time over it...and HSV-1 on the lips well I ain't got it and the only chick who ever told me she had lip herpes was a big slut(I mean big slut in the most endearing sense-she was a great lay, sweetheart but she'd make the original Don Juan look like an angel) before we even got to college which is where I met her, but they say it is 9/10 for face herpes so that makes for a whole truckload of 'criminally irresponsible' biatches out there.

Beyond that, the CDC numbers are underreported. The GP I saw at highly prestigious medical institue in NC(you can guess which one, there are two and they are close together) stated that actual infection rates are over 40% currently. Futher, the Stats stated on commercials paid for by big pharma and their literature reported by institutions whose research they fund claim that it can reduce the risk greatly for one using VALTREX. However Dr.GP, not Doc Earring, added that the TNT-total needed to treat, to prevent infection in one couple where one person is 'infected' and t'other is seronegative...well it's a lot higher than Big Valtrex would have you believe because geuss what dude? They have profit at stake and WANT you to buy some drugs that until this year were under patent protection in the US so there was no generic...

And the whole viral shedding, is a fucking theory. The theory has shown strong evidence in people who are recently infected and in turn highly contagious...but VALTREX doesn't fund research on people who've been infected for a long term, developed strong antibodies and in turn are not highly contagious...know why? bad press.

Do you, for certain, as in been tested with blood samples know, that you don't have HSV-2? Cause they don't screen for that at the clinic unless you request it because of the stigma...since the stigma is so strong people fucking off themselves over one of the most common, if not the most common, infections known to human kind.

In reality, Valtrex probably inhibits the body's own natural tendencies to fight the infection....not saying don't take it.

And condoms will go a long way for you in preventing an infection if you do not have it.

Shedding theory came about because people got infected by a partner, who was 'unaware'...so someone shows up to the clinic, says I just got this sore, my bf/gf doesn't have it, what's up Doc? Well since Doc doesn't know medical history of bf/gf, concludes that other person is unaware..can't say other person is cheating cause they don't know, and voila you got it...odds are other person was RUNNING around.

...cause if you actually got that shit you know...no one gets fucking pimples on their cock or ingrown hairs on their inner labia, even though plenty claim that they do.
Let me qualify that statement though, I think there are plenty of people out there who are actually unaware because they've never had a sore, but I also think they ARE NOT HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS.

You know what happens when a pregnant chick about to give birth has a sore? She gets a C-section. If doctor's really believed that Viral shedding was SO DANGEROUS, they'd be blood testing every pregnant bitch out there for HSV and then giving C-sections to 1 in 4, or really 2/5 cause 1/4 is so 2002....but they don't and a miniscule amount of babies come down with neonatal herpes...

So Dr.Earring get out of your fear closet, off the computer, off your high horse...

And wear a rubber...cause if you actually have game one of these days your gonna bang a chick who's got it, whether she knows it or not.

And your whole only bang someone else who has it is pretty much statistically impossible, especially if you believe all your stats of 9/10 don't even know. That means 1/4 have it and only 1 out of those 1/4 know.

If they have sores present and you stick your dick there...Highly contagious and you will get it...but no sores...HIGHLY unlikely or the infection would be EXTEMELY prevalent in the population whereas now it is only prevalent. And yes there are people who get it on their thighs but I'd bet all the pussy I'll get for the rest of my years that there was a 'pimple' on their parnter's thighs when they decided to bump uglies-oh that's a pimple...oh shit that pimple on you, gave me a pimple that burns...

...and wear condoms motherfuckers especially outside of the USA...but if you don't I've got financial interests in companies that, in the near future, will help you to live a full life...so I don't give a FUCK what you do. I don't say that to brag, just that game opened me to investments I wouldn't have thought of without banging nameless bitches across the globe...and in the words of KatW..I'm only calling 'em bitches cause I don't know all their names individually...Nothing personal Doc.Earring...BigDonDickDangler out.

[Roosh]

I've never had a single girl tell me she had an STD, but the odds that every girl I've ever had sex with was unaware approaches 0%. I wouldn't be surprised if people with even HIV are hiding their status.

Quote:

If doctor's really believed that Viral shedding was SO DANGEROUS, they'd be blood testing every pregnant bitch out there for HSV and then giving C-sections to 1 in 4, or really 2/5 cause 1/4 is so 2002....but they don't and a miniscule amount of babies come down with neonatal herpes

Good logic.

[Samseau]

The thing about herpes:

It's gross, but it's not dangerous. It cannot harm anyone. Nothing happens to HPV infected people. It's basically the common cold of STD's and honestly I would never tell a girl if I had it unless I thought it would be long-term relationship.

[oldnemesis]

(06-15-2010 07:32 AM)DrArete Wrote:  

People have been criminally prosecuted for knowingly infecting other people with an STD.

Do you have any links to recent cases which didn't involve HIV?

I only read about two cases when a guy was prosecuted for transmitting STD to a girl. Both involved HIV, and the first one also involved rape, so they are not quite relevant. Also both happened in Russia where it is a crime to knowingly pass HVI (but not other STDs), so it may be different in other countries.

[oldnemesis]

(06-17-2010 11:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The thing about herpes: It's gross, but it's not dangerous. It cannot harm anyone. Nothing happens to HPV infected people.

Are you talking about HPV or herpes (HSV)? HPV is not herpes.

[nielson]

(06-14-2010 09:26 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I'm pretty sure the original poster is a troll. There were a few other STD trolls during this time.

Not a troll man. I wish I was making this shit up.

I find it hard to believe there isn't one person on this board who has this. I guess I was hoping to hear some advice like "I'm in the same boat, but I don't let it slow me down, and a lot of chicks I tell happen to be cool with it." Wishful thinking I guess.

If any of you guys are out there, PM me with either your good or bad experiences.

I came online to talk about this because I don't even feel like I can talk to my friends about it. I don't want them to look at me differently when we go out or talk about it when I'm not around.

[Aylar]

(03-24-2010 04:33 PM)nielson Wrote:  

I have herpes and I can't help but thinking my "game" career might be over before it's even started.

I got it 2 years ago right around the time I graduated college. I didn't even sleep around a lot... my number to this day is under 10. I used condoms too (okay, most of the time).

Right after I found out I got it, I fucking freaked out. I thought my dating life was over. I started getting depressed on nights when I would go out with my friends, thinking "what's the point?" I never told them about it either. Who would want a dude with herpes as their wingman?

After a couple months, I started dating a girl I had known for a while. Before we had sex I built up the courage and finally told her about it. I can't tell how you relieved I was when she told me it didn't matter to her at all.

While we dated, I didn't have to worry or even think about my STD for a year and a half.

We just broke up. Now, like a wave, it's all coming back.

I'm motivated to improve my game. I've been reading Roosh's site and a couple others on a daily basis.

But to add to my natural nervousness about opening a lot of girls, I'm afraid of closing.

Yes, I'm actually afraid of my targets wanting to fuck me. What then? Explain this to them right when things are getting hot and heavy?

Have any of you guys been in the same boat and have figured out a way to not let this slow you down? I know there has to be other guys who have been in my shoes.

I need to know it's possible, and that I can work through this like every other pick-up obstacle.

I think it is very considerate of you to have told your past gf of your herpes. I;m sorry it didn't work out. That said, I do think it continues to be important that you tell your future partners about it as it can be transmitted even with condom protection. Although harmful to men, herpes is twice as harmful to women. Women with herpes require c-sections during childbirth because exposure to a herpes for a new born baby can cause herpes in the eyes (which can cause blindness) and in the face, as well as encephalitis, and more serious complications to the babies organs. For a woman , this is a serious decisions that has to be made to be with a partner sexually with herpes. This is why choosing sexual partners and unbridled sexual contact with people you don't know is irresponsible.

You deserve to meet someone new but I hope you go about it responsibly. However, I do recommend you look for a partner that also has or is infected with the herpes virus . This may not be hard to find, as terrible as that may sound. You may want to look for support groups. you can join. I hope this isn't a terrible suggestion. Just be up front and make sure to build a good communication and friendship with someone before you open up.

I personally know a couple who, the husband, during one of their breakups, slept with someone else, got herpes, and the woman still got back with him and married him. I believe she got herpes from him because they had a child and she had a c section.

Best of luck!

[solo]

I can recommend this book about the psychological aspects of skin diseases, by a Harvard psychologist (Grossbart): Skin Deep. I have eczema myself, used to have mouth herpes and acne. Im working on managing it though, and this book is an important part of that.