[kosko]

(11-10-2012 07:29 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

The reason I've decided against seeing a "Hoefessional" has more to do with me getting tired of taking the path of least resistance.Paying for it would probably do more harm to me mentally than good so Im trying to avoid that situation after giving it some serious thought.Im not rich or anything but paying $400-$500 to bang a bad bitch is ALOT easier to do then actually facing rejection dozens of times while trying to score some free pussy.
My issue with women is two fold.One I've always "settled" for whatever woman paid me any attention versus PURSUING the women that I was really attracted to.And secondly I've always felt like I've been unable thus far to make a women feel the same way about me as I do them.Thus a string of VERY one sided "relationships" if they can even be called that.Im sure the feeling of "Why won't she love me like she did so and so" has been felt by all Bitch Ass Betas (myself included) at least once in life.I just got tired of being with sub par women that I couldn't make really "Love" me like they would an Alpha male.After 15+years of these situations and the breakups to come with em I'd just had enough.I figured it was easier to just go without female companionship then it would be to look inside and change myself.I've always known the diffrence between an Alpha Male and a Beta but I just figured either you were born lucky or you weren't.I have some SERIOUS Alpha males as friends and broaching the subject of " How do You Do It?" always ends with them saying "I just do." Naturals even though they may be willing to shed some insight are typically not able to articulate just what it is that allows them to have their way with women.So here I am trying to "UnBetta and UnBitter" myself.Thus far it's been humbling and has provided more questions than answers but I promise Im gonna keep on pushing ahead...

Just get it out of the way. I start acting desperate after a few weeks and it leaks into my game if I am on a cold streak.

Its not as easy as it sounds to "UnBeta"'n yourself I've been down that path of being the nice guy and its a lot of of fronting and playing the part. You naturally get into a grove of being forceful and dominant in due time but it is not a easy process. I am a year + into game and I am still learning. I still got a soft part in me but I have committed myself to never let it come out unless a bang a girl I have *feelings* for. [Kosko confessionals ] Meaning I only let my soft side out in the only time a female will be cool with it... when cuddeling/spooning after the bang. The type of sappy shit I say during that would make dudes cringe but hey I use it as a outlet to get it out of me.. a little reward for my hardwork so I don't end up busting out that sappy crap when I am with a broad at any other time [Kosko confessionals ]. But for somebody that has not hit a sticky wall in four years I can't imagine how edgy, eager, and desperate your game could be. This is no diss because I am just talking from my own experience and I can tell you that when I am on a cold streak it shows in my game. I do and say stupid shit and me begin smooth goes out the window real quick.

I can't even tell you how much of a relief just busting a nut on a female really is. Its ideal to get it Kosher and fair but after 4 years I can't even think the rabbid thoughts that are going through your mind man. Like I said I had a year long drought and in that year I thought of some fucked up shit. I kept wondering what was wrong with me even to the point if I was gay or some shit like that (*pause* I thought I was repelling women or some shit and that maybe I was just supposed to be with dudes.. it got that bad.. fuck that though I love tits and ass lol!). Its not healthy for a Man's soul or mind. Get that mental fog off you as quick as possible ASAP and then go out into the wilderness and hunt with the 1000lb sack of your back.

I feel bad advocating this type of shit on a Game forum but your case is serious, just get those rocks off and it will boost your confidence 1000%. Don't pay to bang some whore.. Don't. Do. That. [It does not matter if its a 5$ whore off the street or a 500$ high class whore.. she is still a money hungry whore and you won't enjoy the bang... at all]. But what I am saying is nut on a Korean massage broads chin and you'll feel like a King ready to plough down and fuck a normal broad from a normal situation. After a second cold streak I did just that and pulled a slut from a dirty College Bar the same night. I was hungry for more and wanted to fuck a girl so I went out like a mad man that night and went through broads like nothing. The fog from being on a cold streak was gone and I could approach and think clearly on how to lure in girls and attack.

Women can smell when you are getting a lot of ass and they can smell when you don't. Don't ask me how but this is what I have noticed and this is what candid women on sex have told me. They can smell a cold streaker from a mile away. There is just a smoothness, swagger, and confidence to somebody whom is actively looking for sex but not eager for it. Its a skill and mystery I am trying to crack. Many veterans on this forum you can piece together on their posts its a amazing thing.

[punchboy]

There is a book called "No More Nice Guy". I'd take a look, I found it helpful to get over the hatred for women and I think you might be in a situation just a bit more extreme of where I was.

For me, a lot had to do with misunderstanding women's psychology. That is, you are nice towards them, they turn cold, and you blame them (which I sense is where you are at). The book might not solve all your problems - it will not - but I feel it will probably be a very good starting point, especially in light of what you are writing (i.e.: you settled for whatever you could get, you felt your feelings not reciprocated...).

If you google: "No More Nice Guy PDF, you will find some free versions. Hopefully it will help you.

[TheMachinist]

Im not even remotely attracted to Asian broads so a rub and tug ain't gonna get it.Plus it's been soooooo long that a bit longer ain't gonna hurt me.In hindsight and after reading up on Game I have had some legitimate chances to fuck a broad over the last 4 years but my mental wasn't going for it.These weren't women that I really pursued or wanted.I tend to naturally attract women that are ugly,fat or both.If I settled on that I'd be up to my neck in sub par women. I have NEVER cold approached the type women that I WANNA BE WITH.I've always just fucked whatever women I met thru my social circle or whatever women approached me.

[Matt3B]

Get yourself on OKCupid or POF even if it's just to start chatting to girls again. It might lead somewhere, you never know but give that a try.

[TheMachinist]

For the time being Im staying away from internet dating.Nothing against it I've actually done it in the past but it's gonna do nothing for my mental. I have ZERO problems conversating with attractive women in social or everyday life situations.My problem is very rarely if ever do I make FIRST CONTACT.I've had SEVERAL instances where women that I consider 6's or higher have approached and even hit on me but I've noticed when that happens I feel like less than a man and I won't let the convo get very far. Men are supposed to approach women and when it happens the other way around Im reminded of the fact that I've never spotted an attractive female that I'd like to to know and approached her.The last woman that I was with sexually approached/pursued me pretty hard.We had a hot and heavy sexual relationship for a month or so then she broke it off.After it was all said and done I realized she only fucked me because at the time I was pretty popular and known throughout the local music scence and that she had a long history of doing so. Essentialy I got played out by a groupie.I beat myself up for MONTHS after that happened.She hurt me pretty bad with the half truths and omissions. At the time I was SURROUNDED by good looking women almost nightly but after that incident I wouldn't let it get any further than just conversation.Up until that time in my life I had never been popular per se and didn't know how to deal.Hindsight being 20/20 I coulda had alot fun had I knew how to deal with women.

[germanico]

(11-13-2012 12:17 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

Men are supposed to approach women

Then why dont you?

[TheMachinist]

(11-13-2012 01:00 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(11-13-2012 12:17 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

Men are supposed to approach women

Then why dont you?

The same reason most men don't.

[Hades]

I dunno man, you have to get off the internet and do some approaches. That's all. It's not difficult, it can be time consuming, and it can be exhausting, but you have to do it.

[babelfish669]

If your not trolling,

It sounds like you have some serious issues that go far beyond getting laid. If you don't straighten those things out, you'll just be the same miserable person except you'll be getting laid.

[TheMachinist]

(11-13-2012 01:55 PM)Hades Wrote:  

I dunno man, you have to get off the internet and do some approaches. That's all. It's not difficult, it can be time consuming, and it can be exhausting, but you have to do it.

Im actually a social person and I do go out for nightlife a fair amount just no approaches.Right now Im working on the things that make me FEEL good.Working out daily,good grooming habits and hygiene.The missing piece is my wardrobe.Im trying to put together a nice wardrobe so that I don't look like shit when I step out anymore.Im going shopping soon to get my clothes and shoe game right and then I'll be prepared.

[Rick91]

Go to the Philippines.

[TheMachinist]

Nope.Not trolling.(Whatever that is.)I've already admitted to being 2 nickels short of a dime bag when it comes to women.And Im not moving to another country.Im just a guy thats sick of watching from the sidelines.If game is a sport then this is training camp.Just trying to get in shape physically and mentally for the season ahead.I honestly don't think Im any more fucked up then anybody else before they discovered game.Im just able to freely admit past failures and shortcomings.I see no harm in admitting my truth.I've been carrying this burden for along time and it feels good to just speak on it.

[NoBalls]

When you do start approaching be aware that the first several approaches will feel rough. And every different day you approach you will probably have to do warm up approaches before you can get in the grove. Sometimes just asking a few different people for directions is enough to warm up. Other times it takes more than that.

Don't let this stop you. Push through it and you will see success from time to time.

[TheMachinist]

I plan to spend Thanksgiving weekend doing some approaches.

[Smitty]

My man, wherever you consider yourself to be on the looks scale (1-10), you need to subtract 3 and go find a woman that meets that number. Don't worry about quality right now. Don't pay for pussy -- it's too easy for you. You have some aggression you need to release. Find yourself an ugly bar whore somewhere -- I don't care if she is fat -- strap on a condom and fuck her like you haven't fucked in four years (get it?). Treat her like the dirty whore she was raised to be. Fuck her a few times if you have to, and then when you're done, it's time to move on and begin the cleansing process.

Step 1 - Stop hating women. You can't hate them at this stage. It fucks up your game and makes you a negative shithead who no one wants to be around. You realize this. So stop hating women. Don't take part in any women-bashing threads on this forum during your cleansing phase. You don't have to like women, or even appreciate them, but realize they are there for your pleasure and they are lucky to feed from your seed. Think Michael Corleone - "Never hate your enemy -- it only affects your judgment"

Step 2 - Read Day Bang and go do the approaches. 100 to be exact. Don't slack. Read Roissy (commandments of poon and all that shit) and all the other writings the guys here recommend. Educate yourself. Understand how women are, but don't let your hatred take over again. Understand that they are irrational, inferior creatures. They're stupid. Especially American women.

Step 2a - While approaching, you should expect to get rejected 19 out of 20 times. If you were in the Major leagues, they would trade your ass for that batting average. It's ok. Your goal is not to just pick up women at this stage, it's to perfect your approach/script. I don't know where you live and what kind of access you have to women, but consider night game too if it's strong in your area (three taps on the shoulder, "you don't look like you're from around here" and all the other shit Roosh uses).

Step 2b - Work on your confidence during this whole period. Confident, but not arrogant. Arrogance is for assholes who 1) think they're the shit but beat off every night to porn or 2) guys who actually fuck different quality women on a regular basis. Even if you are #2, arrogance can destroy your game quickly. You are TheMachinist - the most lighthearted guy in <insert city name here> and women feel good when they talk with you. They get wet. They love how playful you are with them. They return your texts because you're "a fun guy to be around" even though you aren't the most attractive guy they could bang.

Step 3 - Once you're pulling semi-quality ass from your pickups, remember the old adage "stick and move." Don't fall in love after one bang and don't stop pursuing other women. After such a long drought, and your self-admitted beta-ness, you are prone to oneitis, or whatever it is they call it. Make sure you fight these feelings. If you got one quality piece of ass, don't fall in love with it -- you are capable of getting more. Always be on the prowl. It's frustrating, believe me I know, and guys like Roosh (and others on this forum) are like machines because they can do it day in and day out. Don't expect to game at the same pace and don't expect the same results.

Step 4 - when all else fails, hit the ATM, go see El Mechanico in Florida and hang with him for a week. If you're lucky, he will show you the light.

The path has been laid out for you by many of the guys on this board -- if we do it, so can you. Stop being a hater, be more lighthearted and fun, and women will sense that positivity -- and believe me, they are attracted to it. Confidence, the ability to banter, and a lighthearted personality will get you far in the world of game.

Good luck.

Now I need to go post in the drunk thread.

[Giovonny]

Very easy solution here...

Bang prostitutes (Their purpose is to provide sexual relief for men like you)
Start working on your game
Start working on your "issues"

Start this process today.

You have to change your attitude, behaviors, habits, and ways of thinking. You basically have to become a new man. Let your old, dysfunctional personality die and start over again with a new and improved personality.

Get working, stay positive, be honest with yourself, WORK HARD TO IMPROVE YOURSELF!!!

(11-01-2012 09:35 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

I've got some deep seeded issues with women.

What caused these issues?

How is your relationship with your mother? Were you sexually abused by a woman? Did you suffer a bad broken heart and never recover?

Why do you hate women???

[TheMachinist]

Why do I hate women??? A continual pattern of lies,ommisions of truth and betrayal. As far as my mom is concerned we get along okay although she has picked up on my utter disgust with anything with a vagina so I try to stay away from her so she doesn't have to see me like this. As far as the whores are concerned I don't wanna go that route for fear that I'd just be trading a cheap porn habit for an expensive hooker habit and Im already not the best at managing money as it is so Id probably just stay broke.

[Giovonny]

So, you hate women because they have lied to you, fair enough. I think thats a bit of an extreme reaction but I understand.

My next 2 questions..

Would you describe yourself as sexually successful or sexually unsuccessful throughout your life?

I think I know the answer but I want you to say it.

Also, how old are you and how many women have you banged?

[TheMachinist]

I would describe myself as sexually unsuccesful.I don't think any sane man of sound body that hasn't been in prison could see a damn near 5 year drought as being succesful.

And Im 31 and I've banged 9 chicks.Thats 9 chicks since the age of 15 or so.Of those 9 only one of them did I actually approach cold and even then she was a fat girl in HS that I heard was easy.

[Beyond Borders]

(11-13-2012 06:14 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  

she has picked up on my utter disgust with anything with a vagina

You should take the recommendation for therapy very seriously if you want to get beyond this.

[Giovonny]

9 girls in 16 years. Only 1 bang from a cold approach and she was fat. Yes, you have not been very successful sexually.

I suspect that you hate women not only because they have lied to you, but also because you have not banged very many of them.

You are frustrated. You blame women. It is partly their fault. But, mostly it is your fault. You have not done the necessary work required to be attractive to women. You do not talk to them, you do not work on your game, you do not try to fix your problem.

You do not try to become more attractive to women!

This is the biggest problem in your life and you do not try to fix it!!!

You need to take responsibility for your sex life! Stop blaming other people for your problems! Blaming others only creates bitterness, hatred, and it doesn't fix anything!

Get on the Roosh program now!

PM me if you wanna talk, I will give you free therapy..

[TheBulldozer]

I cannot go and approach women for you. Unless I'm sick and bedridden, I make sure to approach at least one woman a day with the intent of attempting to fuck her.

It doesn't matter how busy I am, where I may have to go, or what I have to do. It keeps me fresh and always aware, for lack of a better way to put it.

Smile, ask her questions, do SOMETHING. A lot of what you'll read here is beyond anything you'll ever need to approach women. Don't worry about trying to glean advice from guys who have done this hundreds, if not thousands of times. Remember, we all started somewhere.

Say hi. Say hi to 100 different women if you have to. Say hi to 1000 if you have to. The longest journey starts with your first step.

Stop worrying about what you look like in the eyes of women, but always progress towards bettering yourself.

At one point I shared many of the sentiments you did. I always blamed them. Thinking back to myself 7-10 years ago, I would probably have said I would be the last person on earth who would travel the world, have a career he loved, approach women without fear, and make them attracted to me. Reflecting on today, it's amazing that I walked into a Starbucks, found a cute girl sitting there alone, sat down next to her, and walked out with her number by the time I was done with the interaction. YEARS AND YEARS of practice went into that single interaction, but to her I was just a guy who happened to share similar interests and was genuinely nice.

The point is, you can do this. There are millions, no billions of women who would love if you said hi to them TODAY.

There are 3.5 billion women in the world. If you fail, the good news is, is that there are 3.4999999 billion that are waiting for you to say hi.

Listen to what Gio says. He has likely approached more women than the entire male population of a small city.

[TheMachinist]

Just for the record can somebody clarify what exactly counts as an approach.How in depth or involved does the interaction need to be to be considered as an approach???

[NoBalls]

IMHO, if you try to talk to a girl and she is aware that you are trying to talk to her then it counts as an approach.

If you try to stop a girl on the street and she gives you a dirty look and keeps on going, that counts as an approach because you attempted conversation. If you try to talk to a girl and she doesn't hear you it doesn't count.

[philly22]

Agree with a lot of whats been said. In my experience psychologists are garbage and aren't worth spending money on.

Go see a psychiatrist. They are physicians(MD/DO degree) and preferably a male one.