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11-02-2012, 08:01 AM
My inclination would be to give a lot more plausible deniability in the invite back to your place. No matter how hot and heavy the sexual banter and foreplay is, give her bullshit plausible deniability. She isn't coming to your apartment to give you a lapdance; she's coming to see your etchings, or have a drink, or see some home-made videos.
Some girls can be really weird in being of two minds while portraying that they are of one, and will heavily flirt while not yet having made up their mind to fuck. Actually, it's often the case a girl has no idea if she will fuck until she is actually fucking. That's why escalation is such a key skill.
She didn't leave you any real options with her pout. She framed it as a win lose situation, and commanded you to lose. It's your job to get her to be under your thumb, and of course you can't start right in doing it wrong. I like your intuition on this, she was putting you in an impossible spot. I think she knew that too, and agree with Roosh that this was because she wanted an out. She wanted to make you squirm and use the drama as an excuse to change the subject away from imminent sex.
Maybe there could have been some creative solutions that would have worked for the two of you. Wordlessly walk over to her side, open her door, but then physically pick her up with both arms and place her into the chair. Agree and amplify, while taking total dominance of her body.
The spanking suggestions were along that line. But as she had basically insulted you by telling you to be under your command, it might let off a little steam to wrestle with her in that way at this point. Better than verbal wrestling - get things a little more physical and real.
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11-02-2012, 01:15 PM
I'm sure Roosh is right in that she just wanted an excuse to keep you on the hook for longer.
After "you buy my flowers. I suck your dick. This is how this works." I dont think I would have resisted the temptation to say "to be fair you'd have to suck my dick at the exact same time I'm buying you flowers, trading standards"
Hilarious story. What was she thinking?
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11-02-2012, 01:29 PM
I hardly even do this, but if I go out of my way to do it (ie walk all the way around the car) they usually will make a point to thank me and they seem surprised (oh! thanks!).
If its appropriate (leaving somewhere and the valet pulls up, we're facing passenger side door), I'll open it and they don't say anything because they are assuming it's going to happen.
Bottom line: Either way, if she's the type that calls you out on not opening it, shrug it off and make her feel ridiculous by forcing her to stay in the car after you've stopped and wait for you to walk all the way around and open it to let her out. Then, of course, smack her ass a little and say "happy now?" or "so how did it feel?".
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11-02-2012, 01:39 PM
you should have given her a few test lines during the date to see what type of psycho she was. Then you can adjust your mannerism level based on it. I also keep an eye on how she interacts with others while on the date. Does she say excuse me, thank you to the waiter, use of the word please, etc Based off of that I go in for the kill.
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11-02-2012, 02:52 PM
Quote: (11-02-2012 07:02 AM)j r Wrote:
I open doors and do most of that other psuedo-chivalrous bullshit. I do it because it helps me keep the frame of "grown ass man" that differentiates me from all the bros and effeminate manginas.
There are certain things that I just do. I open doors, hold out chairs, help her put on her coat, buy the first round (why I pay in cash), sometimes I order for her. I never look for her approval in these things. I don't even acknowledge that I've done anything out of the ordinary.
The tough thing about the OP is that she's calling you on something that you've already done. I think Roosh is right. She probably found herself in too deep and was looking for a way out. You might have been able to continue to overcome her obstacles and eventually gotten the bang that night, but that would have not been the last of them.
This. You're not being beta if you do these things inherently, but if you allow yourself to be "trained" to do them by some woman or are reacting directly to a stimulus, then you're toeing the line.
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11-02-2012, 05:08 PM
The real move was opening the door without her having to bring it up. Opening car doors for women offers you two possible positive things. First you get a chance to escalate/kiss. Second you get a chance to see what kind of person she is. If you don't have a keyless remote then you see if she unlocks your door once she is inside the car as you walk around to the drivers side (think that tip came from A Bronx Tale).
You should also open building doors for women. Argue the "alpha" merits of it all you like, but its the best way I know of to inconspicuously check out her ass while still looking like a gentleman.
I wouldn't be surprised if she thinks you are a latent homosexual for being more worried about arguing over a door than possibly getting laid, b/c that was my first thought.
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11-02-2012, 07:57 PM
Quote: (11-02-2012 01:23 PM)Ramon Zarate Wrote:
Anyway we all know a girl isn't going to suddenly change her mind about banging you because you didn't open the door for her. It's a symptom of something else.
Disagree in many instances. Sometimes there are just actions or something that someone says (that someone being a person who you thought you was cool) where everything turns cold.
Now, it's SILLY as hell that something like opening a car door could have flipped that cold off-switch, but it's entirely a possibility.
It's all about the good vibes. You know, promote that good, fun vibe and FUA (fuck up avoidance) by NOT killing the vibe. And if the girl has a car-door hangup, it may very well kill that good vibe either temporarily or for-good. Understanding social interactions to this degree is both really cool and both really upsetting at the same time, for some reason the more I open my mind to this, both the cooler and more upsetting it becomes.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
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11-02-2012, 08:02 PM
Quote: (11-02-2012 03:33 PM)XXL Wrote:
it's like when you choose to not smoke weed. and one time you end up with a group of hot girls who all start smoking and pass you the blunt. when you start bitching about your own tems cause "you don't see why you should smoke this shit with them too to be a part of the group when they can do it themselves" you're an idiot. you kill the vibe of the party. you alienate don't do it. just take a puff cough couch cough have a laugh and pass it on. it won't do anything bad.
YES YES YES, it's about being cool.
The whole weed thing happened to me SO MANY TIMES. I hate weed man, probably the one drug I hate the feeling it gives me (yes, strange). I would end up in so many situations like this and just totally kill the vibe and kill my chances of getting laid.
Now, I do a pretend puff and it's all good, and I didn't ruin the vibe, and I'm cool in the context of the immediate social group.
You got to be cool. Cool is different in every social group's mind, and both the tricky and fun part is figuring out what they think is cool and playing that cool role.
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11-02-2012, 10:52 PM
This isn't even a beta issue, in my mind. Around 80 to 90% of my lays are ONS or on the first "date" (always just drinks). I almost ALWAYS open the door for a girl that I want to bang. I've had ex girlfriends hunt me down to fuck me while they were seeing someone else, and many came out bluntly saying, "He doesn't even open the door for me". I ruin these bitches for life, because like the one I just mentioned, I used to fuck her on the hood of my car in a deserted subdivision and come on her ass, but I always opened the door. If you don't understand how strong that comes across, to beat it up in the woods, but hold her hand while she tries to put her shoes back on, then you need to think about it more.
If you're already a selfish asshole by nature (to women), then there's nothing wrong with showing class, which is all you are doing by opening a door. Oh course, my hands are always on her and that ass will get a little pop after the door opens. Personally, I was raised this way, and I don't feel right not opening her door unless I'm proving a point. I like the traditional roles and I reward women that play by theirs'. It has never cost me a lay or even delayed one. In fact, I'm sure it made many lays come faster and easier. Just don't fuck it up by buying dinners and flowers. Unfortunately, once you fucked up by not opening the door, giving into her demand would only make you look worse. You jolted her out of her fantasy land.
Not trying to diss, but your comments appear like your trying hard to "be hard". Like it was mentioned in one of the threads about Russian men, real "alpha" is being so confident in yourself that you don't have to think about how every line sounds or "Is this beta?"TM G-man. Women can pick up pretty easily if you're being yourself, or trying to appear a certain way. I'm genuinely an asshole, but I'm also generous (at times) and I will fuck her best friend while she sleeps in the same bed (same girl as above).
It's like the other day, I'm taking shots in a bar. I'm on a first date with this girl. My buddy shows up and I grab us all one. I come back to toast and see a guy I know sitting in a wheelchair by himself. Without thinking, I walk back to the bar, grab an extra plastic shot cup and pour some of each shot into it. Walk up, smile, and say cheers bro. I didn't do this to impress anyone. It was automatic. I walk back over to the girl and I can't even describe the look on her face. I was inside her about 45 minutes later.
Good move with the Comedy on the first date and solid work getting her to agree to come back to your place. Just keep selling her the dream next time.
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11-03-2012, 02:10 AM
Why in the fuck is this so hard to figure out?
If he was at his door and she was at hers fuck her.
If he was with her open the fucking door.
A man opens the door.
A man does not open the door when some broad demands the door opened.
Is that hard to figure out?
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11-03-2012, 04:43 AM
I had a slightly mental left wing vegan type I went on one date with, after that she would keep texting me saying she liked me blah blah. But kept on saying this im looking for a gentleman shit all the time, in one of texts back i managed to put in, as i knew it would piss her off; yes im looking for a lady, never heard from her again after that. Make no mistake gentlemen there are many many crazy women out there, much more so than there are normal.
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11-03-2012, 06:00 AM
i really like how this thread distinguishes boys from men.
my take on it.. of course it's great you have personal boundaries/values which you want to stick to. congrats. but other side of the coin is to be able to see that at times some of your New Year's resolutions stand in your way of getting something you want at a time. to me the best thing is to stick to your shit as long as you can and make a little exceptions here and there if that's what will bring something positive.
i've been that uptight dude. i know how it's like. it's super fucking lame. now i think it's hilarious to be so stiff. with girls i always try to do my best to get away with not drinking and i push it to the limit but when i notice my boundaries limit me in specific sitaution i bend a bit. like for example i drink VERY rarely. but if i hang out with Smitty, fuck it, we will have shots.
as for door thing, i don't really know what's so bad about it. if you think good manners make you less cool then you have deeper issues to work on.
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11-03-2012, 06:25 AM
I was vending my wares at a music festival when some self confessed band groupie slut started flirting with me. We wound up naked that night in my tent, when things got strange. She said "You're not getting any unless you beg."
"What?"
"Beg for it."
I wanted to fuck her. We were already naked and I was inches away. But the words just wouldn't come out. It was just too ridiculous. Not going to happen.
I just acted as if she hadn't said that and fucked her anyway.
The next day she was acting all cold. As if I'd somehow under-performed, or insulted her, or who cares what.
That was about 16 years ago, and I had no concept of a shit test or of a masculine dominant frame. Sometimes you don't even need the concepts - you're body just won't submit to a woman like that. Not going to happen.
The WAY that girl wanted him to open the door was basically saying "I'll let you fuck me, but you have to beg for it first." Which is a lose lose situation.
