[j r]

Just to get the pot bubbling a little bit, here's the cover story from the NYTimes magazine:

Quote:

The night before Susan and Rob allowed their son to go to preschool in a dress, they sent an e-mail to parents of his classmates. Alex, they wrote, “has been gender-fluid for as long as we can remember, and at the moment he is equally passionate about and identified with soccer players and princesses, superheroes and ballerinas (not to mention lava and unicorns, dinosaurs and glitter rainbows).” They explained that Alex had recently become inconsolable about his parents’ ban on wearing dresses beyond dress-up time. After consulting their pediatrician, a psychologist and parents of other gender-nonconforming children, they concluded that “the important thing was to teach him not to be ashamed of who he feels he is.” Thus, the purple-pink-and-yellow-striped dress he would be wearing that next morning. For good measure, their e-mail included a link to information on gender-variant children.

When Alex was 4, he pronounced himself “a boy and a girl,” but in the two years since, he has been fairly clear that he is simply a boy who sometimes likes to dress and play in conventionally feminine ways. Some days at home he wears dresses, paints his fingernails and plays with dolls; other days, he roughhouses, rams his toys together or pretends to be Spider-Man. Even his movements ricochet between parodies of gender: on days he puts on a dress, he is graceful, almost dancerlike, and his sentences rise in pitch at the end. On days he opts for only “boy” wear, he heads off with a little swagger. Of course, had Alex been a girl who sometimes dressed or played in boyish ways, no e-mail to parents would have been necessary; no one would raise an eyebrow at a girl who likes throwing a football or wearing a Spider-Man T-shirt.

There have always been people who defy gender norms. Late-19th-century medical literature described female “inverts” as appallingly straightforward, with a “dislike and sometimes incapacity for needlework” and “an inclination and taste for the sciences”; male inverts were “entirely averse to outdoor games.” By the mid-20th century, doctors were trying “corrective therapy” to extinguish atypical gender behaviors. The goal was preventing children from becoming gay or transgender, a term for those who feel they were born in the wrong body.

Many parents and clinicians now reject corrective therapy, making this the first generation to allow boys to openly play and dress (to varying degrees) in ways previously restricted to girls — to exist in what one psychologist called “that middle space” between traditional boyhood and traditional girlhood. These parents have drawn courage from a burgeoning Internet community of like-minded folk whose sons identify as boys but wear tiaras and tote unicorn backpacks. Even transgender people preserve the traditional binary gender division: born in one and belonging in the other. But the parents of boys in that middle space argue that gender is a spectrum rather than two opposing categories, neither of which any real man or woman precisely fits.

Enjoy the article.

[Enfant_Terrible]

What about Bowie in a "man dress"?

Gay or Rock n Roll?

[UgSlayer]

[Roosh]

All this gender neutrality bullshit focuses on boys being able to play with dolls and dressing like girls.

I'd like to see an article where parents dress their girls like construction workers, encourage them to curse, teach them how to lift weights, and then make them kill birds with slingshots. But you won't see that. The war is against men, not women.

[EisenBarde]

"allowed"

[kdolo]

(08-08-2012 04:30 PM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

What about Bowie in a "man dress"?

Gay or Rock n Roll?

everybody knows Bowie is a freak - fag - bi, whatever you call it. He fucked Jagger OR rather they fucked each other

[Screwston]

What kind of dad would let his son do that??

[Hades]

I'd shame my wife for trying to make my son bait for pederasts. That kind of thing should never leave the house.

[Veloce]

Rock and roll freaks are one thing. I mean, if that dress-wearing kid turns out to be a rockstar, great.

But something tells me he's going to wind up a very confused and fucked up person requiring years of therapy to undo all this shit.

The parental role of mothers is to be accepting of their children no matter what, so she's kinda off the hook. Discipline and backbone has always come from the father. The dad is clearly at fault here, but he's probably a bedwetting liberal beta too.

[j r]

(08-08-2012 06:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

What kind of dad would let his son do that??

Beta SWPL dads who are married to narcissistic feminist shrews. You'll notice that there's very little mention of dads in the article.

[kosko]

(08-08-2012 09:11 PM)j r Wrote:  

(08-08-2012 06:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

What kind of dad would let his son do that??

Beta SWPL dads who are married to narcissistic feminist shrews. You'll notice that there's very little mention of dads in the article.

Like this guy David Stocker:


Kathy Witterick David Stocker

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-baby.html

Aside from certain cultural quirks like in French Canada. If my wife is not taking my last name I feel that's a big diss and flag.

[Basil Ransom]

(08-08-2012 04:48 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

All this gender neutrality bullshit focuses on boys being able to play with dolls and dressing like girls.

I'd like to see an article where parents dress their girls like construction workers, encourage them to curse, teach them how to lift weights, and then make them kill birds with slingshots. But you won't see that. The war is against men, not women.

You do see that, it just happens ten years later, with girls trying to be "one of the guys." Doing drugs, cursing, beer bingeing, getting tattoos, fighting, not wearing heels and dresses, Skrillex haircuts.

In America, we have a much stronger aversion to guys acting like girls than to girls acting like guys. You hear about little girls playing soccer or softball, but how often do you hear of parents signing their boys up for say, ballet (which isn't even gay, if you're secure with yourself). So there's a corresponding femininity deficit.

And, as I've written elsewhere, American men neither understand nor appreciate femininity, so they try and cajole their daughter into doing all the things they planned for a son. Instead of just accepting that they have a daughter and treating her accordingly, they think "hey, just because she's a girl, it doesn't mean I should treat her differently! It's the 21st century!"

[Hannibal]

Yeah, most of the effeminate guys I grew up with turned out to be homos. Nothing wrong with that, but I'd sure as hell would not like to be the father.

If/when I want to raise kids, theres a few things I would definitely teach my son(s).
1)Game
2)How to put on some muscle
3)Managing money (not necessarily making it, I'll let him do whatever as long as it doesn't involve going to college to be a history, english, art, or theater major. Little shit's gonna be on his own if he tries that.)

I would be just fine with my son if he wanted to take up gymnastics, but that's about as far as I'd let him delve into femininity.

[Veloce]

I'd like to tell myself that if I ever have a son, I'm going to instill in him all these great things; managing women, money, being strong, cultured, etc...all these great things.

But I remember growing up, and for whatever reason, I hated all the shit my dad told me. He didn't get me. I just wanted to smoke weed and drink in a park all day long.

I think the key is, is really pay attention to the direction your boy goes, whatever grabs him naturally, and encourage him but through a very strong, masculine, disciplined lense. Wanna be a surf bum? Great, be the best. Wanna smoke weed and party? Great, you better be fucking the hottest girl in the neighborhood though. Wanna be a doctor? Great, here's the cash, just don't get hitched and make sure you make time for gaming bitches. Wanna travel? Great, I'll pay for your one way plane ticket, you just gotta be location independent and figure out the rest.

If I have a girl? Suicide.

[BCien]

(08-08-2012 04:30 PM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

What about Bowie in a "man dress"?

Gay or Rock n Roll?

Wasn't Klaus Nomi boyfriends with Freddy Mercury??

[ColSpanker]

(08-09-2012 12:56 AM)BCien Wrote:  

(08-08-2012 04:30 PM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

What about Bowie in a "man dress"?

Gay or Rock n Roll?

Wasn't Klaus Nomi boyfriends with Freddy Mercury??

Never heard that one, but it would explain both of their eventual fates.

[ColSpanker]

(08-08-2012 04:18 PM)j r Wrote:  

Just to get the pot bubbling a little bit, here's the cover story from the NYTimes magazine:

Quote:

The night before Susan and Rob allowed their son to go to preschool in a dress, they sent an e-mail to parents of his classmates. Alex, they wrote, “has been gender-fluid for as long as we can remember, and at the moment he is equally passionate about and identified with soccer players and princesses, superheroes and ballerinas (not to mention lava and unicorns, dinosaurs and glitter rainbows).” They explained that Alex had recently become inconsolable about his parents’ ban on wearing dresses beyond dress-up time. After consulting their pediatrician, a psychologist and parents of other gender-nonconforming children, they concluded that “the important thing was to teach him not to be ashamed of who he feels he is.” Thus, the purple-pink-and-yellow-striped dress he would be wearing that next morning. For good measure, their e-mail included a link to information on gender-variant children.

When Alex was 4, he pronounced himself “a boy and a girl,” but in the two years since, he has been fairly clear that he is simply a boy who sometimes likes to dress and play in conventionally feminine ways. Some days at home he wears dresses, paints his fingernails and plays with dolls; other days, he roughhouses, rams his toys together or pretends to be Spider-Man. Even his movements ricochet between parodies of gender: on days he puts on a dress, he is graceful, almost dancerlike, and his sentences rise in pitch at the end. On days he opts for only “boy” wear, he heads off with a little swagger. Of course, had Alex been a girl who sometimes dressed or played in boyish ways, no e-mail to parents would have been necessary; no one would raise an eyebrow at a girl who likes throwing a football or wearing a Spider-Man T-shirt.

There have always been people who defy gender norms. Late-19th-century medical literature described female “inverts” as appallingly straightforward, with a “dislike and sometimes incapacity for needlework” and “an inclination and taste for the sciences”; male inverts were “entirely averse to outdoor games.” By the mid-20th century, doctors were trying “corrective therapy” to extinguish atypical gender behaviors. The goal was preventing children from becoming gay or transgender, a term for those who feel they were born in the wrong body.

Many parents and clinicians now reject corrective therapy, making this the first generation to allow boys to openly play and dress (to varying degrees) in ways previously restricted to girls — to exist in what one psychologist called “that middle space” between traditional boyhood and traditional girlhood. These parents have drawn courage from a burgeoning Internet community of like-minded folk whose sons identify as boys but wear tiaras and tote unicorn backpacks. Even transgender people preserve the traditional binary gender division: born in one and belonging in the other. But the parents of boys in that middle space argue that gender is a spectrum rather than two opposing categories, neither of which any real man or woman precisely fits.

Enjoy the article.

You can't make this shit up.

[Aliblahba]

Not always gay.

[j r]

You know, it isn't even the cross-dressing that bothers me in this article. It's this yuppie parenting where the mothers hem and haw over every little detail of little Tyler's, or Aubrey or whatever androgynous fucking name they've given this kid, life as if it's the most important decision in the world. It's an extension of the mother's narcissism and in a properly functioning family, the father would keep that isht in check.

Kids need someone in their lives who can say "No. You're not going out dressed like that. You'll wear what I tell you until you get to an age where it's appropriate for you to make these decisions for yourself." But no, little Jackson will grow up never hearing the word no and expecting the world to forever bend to his every whim and idiosyncrasy. And that's why he'll turn into some neurotic herb, who will find his own feminist shrew, just like mom, and raise the next generation of yuppies.

[Screwston]

What happens when he starts getting the shit beat out of him at school?

[UgSlayer]

(08-08-2012 09:22 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(08-08-2012 09:11 PM)j r Wrote:  

(08-08-2012 06:41 PM)houston Wrote:  

What kind of dad would let his son do that??

Beta SWPL dads who are married to narcissistic feminist shrews. You'll notice that there's very little mention of dads in the article.

Like this guy David Stocker:


Kathy Witterick David Stocker

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-baby.html

Aside from certain cultural quirks like in French Canada. If my wife is not taking my last name I feel that's a big diss and flag.

I saw this guy I went to high school with in a bar. He was with some fat ugly girl. He is no catch either. Both were fat, disgusting, and Brooklyn SWPL to the max. I went to shake his hand. He said "this is my wife".

I introduced myself and said "Nice to meet you Mrs. Myclassmate'slastname."

She goes "I didn't take his last name" and proceeds to introduce herself with her maiden name, like it's funny. She was proud as fuck. He had a hint of embarrassment in his face. I had to walk away after 2 minutes.

[Bad Hussar]

Is he from a proud Scottish family, was it St Andrews Day, and was he wearing a kilt rather than a dress? If yes to all then no problem.

But seriously, the zeitgeist changes faster and in different directions than people anticipate. This couple may think letting and encouraging their child do this now is very cute and politically correct. But who knows what will be politically correct in 10+ years time. They may be setting themselves up to be successfully sued by their own son.

I seem to remember an extreme case, in Canada I think, where a couple raised their son, from birth, exactly like one would raise a girl. Including wearing dresses etc. They were trying to prove some sort of "gender is socially constructed" sort of crap. Of course he ended up being so fucked up that all the Psychoanalysts in Vienna wouldn't be able to put him back together again. My memory is hazy, but I think there was some question of legal action against the parents. Either by the son, or the Crown, I'm not sure.