This thread is intended to serve as a reminder and emphasis on a concept in game that has brought me a fair amount of success in the past. Since I haven’t seen this discussed a lot or explicitly on the forum I’ve decided to make a thread for it. I’ve also decided to put it in the Game Forum since this is a relay of experience and not so much a question.
We all know women are emotional creatures. They don’t logically grade you in their head for anything – be it sex or as a marriage partner. All that matters to them is how they feel. As a result, trust is most of the time a major component of that emotional feeling, feeding into their overall comfort. I would say that trust is so major for most women, that it can compensate for looks and even game up to a certain point.
When Does Trust Matter….or Not Matter?
If you suspect that a woman has a very high notch count (triple digits), they don’t give two shits about trust, so don’t bother. Example: girl on Tinder went radio silent for a month on me, then messages me out of the blue asking what’s up and then saying that she’s bored and wants to hang out. We meet up at a bar and she’s wearing a short dress, hair done up, and so much makeup she literally looked like a clown. Without [so much] makeup this girl was a 7.5 and she actually was a model as I would find out later. We get in line to the bar and then she says she forgot her driver’s license so she has to drive back home to get it, and said I could come along if I’d like. She takes me to her place, says we can just hang out here and play CoD, and….you can figure out the rest. Trust clearly didn’t matter to her. I could’ve been a serial killer for all she knew. In fact, I will say that the primary psychological difference between sluts and relatively ‘normal’ girls is that they simply turn off the trust requirement in their mind.
So with who does trust matter? Basically any girl that is not a slut. Because of this fact, if you are concerned as to whether or not a girl has a high notch count, her requirement for trust can be a good indicator (because she sure as shit won't tell you). Keep in mind however, that if you’re really good looking, this may not necessarily apply.
Methods by Which to Cultivate Trust
The first and foremost method is social circle game. This form of game is pretty much exclusively based on trust and success is directly proportional to trust. Since women are highly communal creatures, you will typically have a greater chance for success if you are good friends with a female who introduces you to the other female, as opposed to a male who introduces you to a female.
Another method is simply knowing the girl for a decent period of time. In my thread Red Pill + No Fap = Success (thread-60155.html), I discuss how a girl I knew and occasionally kept in touch with is all of a sudden willing to bang me once I modified my behavior by applying game. The biggest factor in getting me that bang was actually not my game – it was the years of trust that had been built up with her.
The most practical method that guys here can use is commonality with the girl. But it has to be the right commonality, and this will vary with different women. A girl isn’t going to give two shits if you like the same color as she does, or if you both like pizza. It has to be specific and something she values. A good example is heritage. This is especially true for in America. Many of the American members here probably know about what I call, the typical ‘American bitch mutt.’ Basically, it’s the chick you knew at school that’s like 1% German, takes 4 years of German as her foreign language in school (but still can’t speak it), went to Germany to visit maybe once or twice, and yet thinks she’s German (don’t you dare call her American!). I can’t stand these types, BUT you can use this annoying characteristic to your advantage. Let’s say you’re approaching the girl I just described and find out through conversation that she thinks she’s German. Let’s say your parents are actually from Germany – as long as your looks and social skills satisfy her minimum qualifications – if you capitalize on that correctly, you have a far better chance of escalating with her than a better looking guy (up to a certain point) or a guy spitting better game (again, up to a certain point) who doesn’t have this ‘commonality.’ Let’s say your parents are NOT from Germany – as long as you’re not seeking something long term with her (since she’ll discover your lie eventually), you can just make it up as long as you’re confident you have more knowledge than she does (which isn’t difficult with these types). As a side note on this example, keep in mind that attempting to cultivate commonality by being honest and saying that you are 25% German or whatever probably won’t do you any good – she’s probably met a bunch of guys that say the same thing. Essentially you are appealing to her ‘The One’ fantasy by doing this.
My Experience
Let me provide an example that applies some the concepts described above. Recently I went out with a group of friends: 2 girls and 2 guys. I’ll call them girls A & B, and guys A & B since this can get confusing. Girl A is a good friend of mine that I’ve been friends with for years. She was there with her boyfriend, guy A. Girl B is basically a lifelong friend of girl A, but I have only occasionally seen her and talked to her very little. Lastly, guy B is an ex of girl B but apparently still friends. We’re bar-hopping together, get to a bar, and sit at a big table across from 3 girls. I start mingling with one of the 3 girls and discover we have heritage in common. I capitalized on this and it led to rapid escalation – we swapped numbers and even kissed a little right then and there (we were both tipsy). Apparently, this infuriated girl B. Girl B, from what I can gather, goes to the bathroom with the 2 other girls from the trio and tells them I have a girlfriend. As I’m going to the bathroom I run into one of the girls that she told and she attempts to lecture me in a VERY bitchy and poisonous tone i.e. “you’re a cheating shitbag” “who the fuck do you think you are” blah blah blah. What’s funny is I actually didn’t even have a girlfriend at the time! But while I’m standing there, listening to this yippy blonde bitch chew me out with a blank look on my face, Roosh descended from above and through me spoke “she only told you one girlfriend? I have three!” She rolls her eyes and walks off. When I get back, girl A and guy A come up to me to apologize before I get back to the group and tell me that we basically need to get the fuck out of the bar since girl B is getting drunk and crazy to the point where they might kick us out, plus the trio of girls are high on estrogen with the apparent news that I’m cheating. We bail and I part with the girl I was approaching with a hug.
We Uber’ed together in the same car to get to the bars and to leave. We get in the car and I didn’t even finishing saying “WHAT THE FU-“ before this bitch (girl B) starts screaming and threatening to hit me LOL. The look I gave her was probably that of a disappointed father blankly staring at his drug-addicted prostitute daughter. Since I swapped numbers with the girl I was approaching we did text a little afterwards, including the next day. I could tell she was still attracted to me and vaguely interested, but I wasn’t able to pull a meetup and she eventually went radio silent.
Analysis: I reflected on the above event and attempted to extract meaning. Basically, girl B was attracted to me from the get-go, and this was largely based on trust from being good long-time friends girl A (assisted with physical attraction among other things). However, when we went out I never even attempted to approach her because I just wasn’t interested. I’d put her at 6 in looks and slim, but I already knew that she was a semi-crazy dit. Instead, I started approaching a random girl at a bar, which made girl B jealous. I was able to pull rapid escalation with the girl I approached due to commonality via heritage. Girl B pulls some communal girl power bullshit because ‘if I can’t have him, no one can!’ which leads to rapid cock-block on part of the other girl’s friends. Once the girl I approached was told by her friends that I might be cheating, this instantly conflicted with her trust for me, which was the basis of her attraction for me. Sure, she was physically attracted to me, and she liked having something significant in common, but trust was the basis of her attraction. As a result, she continued texting me initially and wanted an explanation to justify the situation – but once that idea was in her head there was no re-establishing that trust. Although I tried to tell her the truth, and she acted like she believed it to be polite, it ended up being a failed approach.
Conclusion
Although trust isn’t required, it can make life a lot easier when escalating with a girl than with just game alone. If you have low game experience like me, trust can be used as a sort of crutch to help you get some early success and encouragement. If you spit really good game, cultivating trust with the girl you’re approaching can make escalation possible where the most impressive game would have gotten a guy nowhere with her. I’ve read multiple instances on this forum where the guy said he was spitting the best game possible and couldn’t escalate with the girl. I strongly believe in at least some of those instances some form of ‘trust’ or ‘magic/The One’ bullshit would have worked with the girl. That or looking like Channing Tatum. Just my 2 cents – I’d be interested in other members’ suggestions and experiences with this.
We all know women are emotional creatures. They don’t logically grade you in their head for anything – be it sex or as a marriage partner. All that matters to them is how they feel. As a result, trust is most of the time a major component of that emotional feeling, feeding into their overall comfort. I would say that trust is so major for most women, that it can compensate for looks and even game up to a certain point.
When Does Trust Matter….or Not Matter?
If you suspect that a woman has a very high notch count (triple digits), they don’t give two shits about trust, so don’t bother. Example: girl on Tinder went radio silent for a month on me, then messages me out of the blue asking what’s up and then saying that she’s bored and wants to hang out. We meet up at a bar and she’s wearing a short dress, hair done up, and so much makeup she literally looked like a clown. Without [so much] makeup this girl was a 7.5 and she actually was a model as I would find out later. We get in line to the bar and then she says she forgot her driver’s license so she has to drive back home to get it, and said I could come along if I’d like. She takes me to her place, says we can just hang out here and play CoD, and….you can figure out the rest. Trust clearly didn’t matter to her. I could’ve been a serial killer for all she knew. In fact, I will say that the primary psychological difference between sluts and relatively ‘normal’ girls is that they simply turn off the trust requirement in their mind.
So with who does trust matter? Basically any girl that is not a slut. Because of this fact, if you are concerned as to whether or not a girl has a high notch count, her requirement for trust can be a good indicator (because she sure as shit won't tell you). Keep in mind however, that if you’re really good looking, this may not necessarily apply.
Methods by Which to Cultivate Trust
The first and foremost method is social circle game. This form of game is pretty much exclusively based on trust and success is directly proportional to trust. Since women are highly communal creatures, you will typically have a greater chance for success if you are good friends with a female who introduces you to the other female, as opposed to a male who introduces you to a female.
Another method is simply knowing the girl for a decent period of time. In my thread Red Pill + No Fap = Success (thread-60155.html), I discuss how a girl I knew and occasionally kept in touch with is all of a sudden willing to bang me once I modified my behavior by applying game. The biggest factor in getting me that bang was actually not my game – it was the years of trust that had been built up with her.
The most practical method that guys here can use is commonality with the girl. But it has to be the right commonality, and this will vary with different women. A girl isn’t going to give two shits if you like the same color as she does, or if you both like pizza. It has to be specific and something she values. A good example is heritage. This is especially true for in America. Many of the American members here probably know about what I call, the typical ‘American bitch mutt.’ Basically, it’s the chick you knew at school that’s like 1% German, takes 4 years of German as her foreign language in school (but still can’t speak it), went to Germany to visit maybe once or twice, and yet thinks she’s German (don’t you dare call her American!). I can’t stand these types, BUT you can use this annoying characteristic to your advantage. Let’s say you’re approaching the girl I just described and find out through conversation that she thinks she’s German. Let’s say your parents are actually from Germany – as long as your looks and social skills satisfy her minimum qualifications – if you capitalize on that correctly, you have a far better chance of escalating with her than a better looking guy (up to a certain point) or a guy spitting better game (again, up to a certain point) who doesn’t have this ‘commonality.’ Let’s say your parents are NOT from Germany – as long as you’re not seeking something long term with her (since she’ll discover your lie eventually), you can just make it up as long as you’re confident you have more knowledge than she does (which isn’t difficult with these types). As a side note on this example, keep in mind that attempting to cultivate commonality by being honest and saying that you are 25% German or whatever probably won’t do you any good – she’s probably met a bunch of guys that say the same thing. Essentially you are appealing to her ‘The One’ fantasy by doing this.
My Experience
Let me provide an example that applies some the concepts described above. Recently I went out with a group of friends: 2 girls and 2 guys. I’ll call them girls A & B, and guys A & B since this can get confusing. Girl A is a good friend of mine that I’ve been friends with for years. She was there with her boyfriend, guy A. Girl B is basically a lifelong friend of girl A, but I have only occasionally seen her and talked to her very little. Lastly, guy B is an ex of girl B but apparently still friends. We’re bar-hopping together, get to a bar, and sit at a big table across from 3 girls. I start mingling with one of the 3 girls and discover we have heritage in common. I capitalized on this and it led to rapid escalation – we swapped numbers and even kissed a little right then and there (we were both tipsy). Apparently, this infuriated girl B. Girl B, from what I can gather, goes to the bathroom with the 2 other girls from the trio and tells them I have a girlfriend. As I’m going to the bathroom I run into one of the girls that she told and she attempts to lecture me in a VERY bitchy and poisonous tone i.e. “you’re a cheating shitbag” “who the fuck do you think you are” blah blah blah. What’s funny is I actually didn’t even have a girlfriend at the time! But while I’m standing there, listening to this yippy blonde bitch chew me out with a blank look on my face, Roosh descended from above and through me spoke “she only told you one girlfriend? I have three!” She rolls her eyes and walks off. When I get back, girl A and guy A come up to me to apologize before I get back to the group and tell me that we basically need to get the fuck out of the bar since girl B is getting drunk and crazy to the point where they might kick us out, plus the trio of girls are high on estrogen with the apparent news that I’m cheating. We bail and I part with the girl I was approaching with a hug.
We Uber’ed together in the same car to get to the bars and to leave. We get in the car and I didn’t even finishing saying “WHAT THE FU-“ before this bitch (girl B) starts screaming and threatening to hit me LOL. The look I gave her was probably that of a disappointed father blankly staring at his drug-addicted prostitute daughter. Since I swapped numbers with the girl I was approaching we did text a little afterwards, including the next day. I could tell she was still attracted to me and vaguely interested, but I wasn’t able to pull a meetup and she eventually went radio silent.
Analysis: I reflected on the above event and attempted to extract meaning. Basically, girl B was attracted to me from the get-go, and this was largely based on trust from being good long-time friends girl A (assisted with physical attraction among other things). However, when we went out I never even attempted to approach her because I just wasn’t interested. I’d put her at 6 in looks and slim, but I already knew that she was a semi-crazy dit. Instead, I started approaching a random girl at a bar, which made girl B jealous. I was able to pull rapid escalation with the girl I approached due to commonality via heritage. Girl B pulls some communal girl power bullshit because ‘if I can’t have him, no one can!’ which leads to rapid cock-block on part of the other girl’s friends. Once the girl I approached was told by her friends that I might be cheating, this instantly conflicted with her trust for me, which was the basis of her attraction for me. Sure, she was physically attracted to me, and she liked having something significant in common, but trust was the basis of her attraction. As a result, she continued texting me initially and wanted an explanation to justify the situation – but once that idea was in her head there was no re-establishing that trust. Although I tried to tell her the truth, and she acted like she believed it to be polite, it ended up being a failed approach.
Conclusion
Although trust isn’t required, it can make life a lot easier when escalating with a girl than with just game alone. If you have low game experience like me, trust can be used as a sort of crutch to help you get some early success and encouragement. If you spit really good game, cultivating trust with the girl you’re approaching can make escalation possible where the most impressive game would have gotten a guy nowhere with her. I’ve read multiple instances on this forum where the guy said he was spitting the best game possible and couldn’t escalate with the girl. I strongly believe in at least some of those instances some form of ‘trust’ or ‘magic/The One’ bullshit would have worked with the girl. That or looking like Channing Tatum. Just my 2 cents – I’d be interested in other members’ suggestions and experiences with this.
