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07-21-2012, 04:42 PM
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Before the advent of guns, there were plenty of mass killings, wars, and regular homicide
Times have changed, my friend. It suffices to compare the situation TODAY in the US with Europe or Asia. Exceptions apart (Breivik, Dunblane), and while you can't avoid events like this for 100%, stricter gun laws effectively do reduce the # of mass shootings. It's a matter of checking statistics to check the fact.
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07-21-2012, 04:52 PM
Haven't picked through the thread yet, but this case stinks like MK-Ultra to me.
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07-21-2012, 05:26 PM
Quote: (07-21-2012 04:31 PM)Kona Wrote:
Quote: (07-21-2012 02:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:
When the United States was born, there was no police. Citizens would arrest criminals themselves and bring them to the local jail or courthouse and hold trial.
There was never any mass shootings of the sort back then.
Sure there were police. The US Marshals have been around since 1790 or something. There's Sheriff's Departments in New york that go back to the 1600's I think.
And there weren't mass killings because people only had muskets. You could kill a whole lot of people, you just had to do it one at a time and be sneaky.
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07-21-2012, 05:38 PM
"Americans seem incapable of honest debate among ourselves about what our permissive gun laws do - and do not - have to do with the chronic bloodletting" (Rod Dreher - senior editor at The American Conservative)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18877454
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07-21-2012, 08:21 PM
And when you do ban guns, the mass killings don't come from civilians, but from the government itself. The worst atrocities are always done legally.
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07-21-2012, 09:04 PM
While ordinary people are armed in the US, there will NEVER be tyranny like in Russia, Germany, China etc in the last century. Even the combined will of the political leadership and the armed forces will not mess with millions of freedom-minded individuals armed to the teeth. That kind of insurance policy is priceless.
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07-21-2012, 10:25 PM
As far as I can tell, no one in the thread spoke of a "ban" of anything
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07-21-2012, 10:52 PM
I feel like this thread went a whole other direction, but just for the sake of debate, here are my thoughts on the last few posts:
These days it's hard to prepare for the future based on a historical precedent. Whether it's natural disasters, financial disasters, or warfare. In many cases of the past, the population simple didn't see it coming. If you guys are going to make the point that our government won't fuck with us because we're a population of well-armed, freedom-loving individuals, I'm sorry to say but that's a bit of an obsolete and misplaced paranoia.
In this day and age, the man isn't going to keep you down by showing up to your door with a gun. In fact, the man is already keeping you down, and keeping the entire well-armed middle and lower class down, and are there any violent uprisings? No. We haven't fought against being lied to and robbed by our financial institutions. We haven't fought against their hold on the government or our elected leaders bailing them out.
When you talk about "What's happened in Germany, China, or Russia." What exactly do you mean? There's a lot of history there. Genocide? Political and Economic Turmoil? WW2? Since Russia was mentioned here, and how apparently history will never repeat itself and what happened there simply COULDN'T happen here, I'm going to quote Lenin:
"How is our government’s senseless policy in China to be explained? Who benefits by
it? The benefit goes to a handful of capitalist magnates who carry on trade with China, to a handful of factory owners who manufacture goods for the Asian market, to a handful of con tractors who are now piling up huge profits on urgent war orders (factories producing war equipment, supplies for the troops, etc., are now operating at full capacity and are engaging hundreds of new workers). This policy is of benefit to a handful of nobles who occupy high posts in the civil and military services. They need adventurous policies, for these provide them with opportunities for promotion, for making a career and gaining fame by their “exploits.” In the interests of this handful of capitalists and bureaucratic scoundrels, our government unhesitatingly sacrifices the interests of the entire people. And in this case, as always, the autocratic tsarist government has proved itself to be a government of irresponsible bureaucrats servilely cringing before the capitalist magnates and nobles."
Different scenario, identical government policy. Happened there and it's happening here. Your guns mean nothing.
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07-21-2012, 11:49 PM
You know a thread has run its course when Gun Control is held as responsible for the Holocaust.
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07-22-2012, 12:14 AM
Damn I feel really bad for the victims of the attack, which includes a 6 year old girl, and a guy out "celebrating" his 27th birthday with friends. Apparently one of the victims was a "white knight" that jumped in front of his girlfriend and got shot to death to save her, while it was a brave and selfless act, there is no way in hell I would do that for a girlfriend, and I really doubt a woman would ever do that for a man.
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07-22-2012, 12:16 AM
Assman, Samseau, and Durangotang should form a militia to overthrow the government once Obama is re-elected.
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07-22-2012, 01:26 AM
Update: "Shooting survivor: Boyfriend 'took a bullet for me'"
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...or-me?lite