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The LIBOR $800 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever
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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

This story has been blowing up yet the mainstream media won't touch it with a foot long pole.

The LIBOR is important because its set the benchmark for all credit rates globally. And its not being outed that Barclays and host of other banks have been manipulating this rate for decades now and have hustled around 800 Trillion off lost payouts.

LIBOR has effected State and Municipal bonds, oil prices, commodity prices, and your homes mortgage. It literally sets the tone for all other prices and transactions that follow.

Washington Blog on LIBOR:
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We noted Friday:

Barclays and other large banks – including Citigroup, HSBC, J.P. Morgan Chase, Lloyds, Bank of America, UBS, Royal Bank of Scotland– manipulated the world’s primary interest rate (Libor) which virtually every adjustable-rate investment globally is pegged to.

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That means they manipulated a good chunk of the world economy.

We actually understated the impact of the Libor scandal.

Specifically, according to the CIA’s World Factbook, the global economy – as measured by the world’s gross domestic product – is less than $80 trillion.

In contrast, over $800 trillion dollars worth of investments are pegged to the Libor rate. In other words, a market more than 10 times the size of the entire real world economy is effected by Libor.

Dennis Kucinich explaining LIBOR:






TYT and Spitzer on LIBOR and Baltimore Municpal Bonds:





800 Trillion...

To hammer it further remember two months back when JP Morgan made some crappy bets on some crappy Index's and lost a measly 5 Billion?

Supposedly the sky was falling and they even rolled out CEO Jammie Dimon for a Kangaroo session in-front of a congress committee to "explain himself". It was wall-to-wall all over the MSM news.

All for 5billion, something JP makes in a crappy quarter.

This is huge.

But hardly nothing new though. Where are the regulators? Bought and paid off of course.

This is the type of stuff that brought out the guillotine in France
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This is your money they have been fleecing. You have paid higher costs at the pump and through your state and municipal taxes due to this.

More reading if your interested in more:

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Rotting in its own criminality, the capitalist financial system produces ever more powerful arguments for its expropriation and reconstitution under public ownership and democratic control.

The latest banking scandal, thus far focused on UK-based Barclays bank, goes to the heart of the global financial system. It provides a glimpse into the mechanisms by which a handful of giant banks rig the so-called “free market” to boost their profits and the fortunes of their executives and big investors. It is a process of economic plunder whose result is mass unemployment, poverty and ever increasing social inequality.

Barclays last week became the first of many big banks to admit to manipulating the most important benchmark for international interest rates, the London interbank offered rate (Libor). The daily Libor rate, which is supposed to measure the average cost of short-term loans between major banks, determines the interest rates for loans and investments that affect hundreds of millions of people around the world.

Libor influences an estimated $360 trillion of loans and credit default swaps. It impacts futures contracts traded on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange with a notational value of more than $564 trillion.

Libor and its Brussels-based counterpart, Euribor (European interbank offered rate), also the target of bank manipulation, are used to set the borrowing rates for $10 trillion in mortgages, student loans and credit cards. Some 90 percent of US commercial and mortgage loans are linked to the index.
As one Financial Times commentator put it, rigging Libor is “the financial equivalent of contaminating the water supply.”



Last week, Barclays, the fourth-largest bank by assets in the world, admitted “misconduct” in a settlement with Britain’s Financial Services Authority (FSA), the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) and the US Department of Justice. It agreed to pay a total of $453 million to the three agencies for seeking to manipulate the Libor rate between 2005 and 2009.

The reports issued by the three entities included emails, text messages and telephone conversations showing that from 2005 to 2007 the bank knowingly submitted false estimates, mostly high, of its interbank borrowing costs to the Libor board. It did so in response to employees at its derivatives trading desks who asked for phony submissions to benefit their bets on credit default swaps and other derivatives.

From 2007 to 2009, at the height of the global financial crisis, the bank deliberately underestimated the cost of loans from other banks in its submissions to the Libor board in order to conceal its weakened financial position.

This type of gaming of the Libor and Euribor rates (as well as the Tokyo-based Tibor) was being carried out by virtually all of the major international banks. A dozen regulators around the world are investigating somewhere between 12 and 20 other banks, including HSBC, the largely state-owned Royal Bank of Scotland, Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, UBS, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Bank of America, Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi and Sumitomo Mitsui. More settlements along the lines of the Barclays deal are expected in the coming weeks.

This bankers’ conspiracy has a very real and vast impact on the lives of ordinary people. Countless billions were effectively stolen from new homeowners or those with variable-rate mortgages, credit card holders, students with college loans, small business borrowers and other consumers when the banks priced the Libor rate artificially high. The Wall Street Journal noted Thursday that an extra 0.3 percentage point would add $100 to the monthly payment on a $500,000 adjustable-rate mortgage.

The lowballing of the Libor rate, on the other hand, cost bondholders who were not parties to the plot untold billions in lower returns. This includes state and local governments that have pared budget deficits by slashing jobs, wages and public services. It also includes pension funds and retirees with fixed investments, whose income was significantly lowered.

The settlement with Barclays is a whitewash designed to let the bank’s top executives off the hook and conceal the complicity of governments and bank regulators in the scam. The $453 million fine is a fraction of the billions Barclays made illegally over the years by falsifying its loan rates to Libor and Euribor. It is a small price to pay for allowing what is, in essence, a criminal operation to continue.

Incredibly, despite emails and other evidence to the contrary, the regulators concluded they could not determine whether Barclays’ top executives were involved. The $160 million settlement with the US Justice Department exempted the bank from criminal prosecution. No official at Barclays or any of the other banks has to date been criminally or civilly charged. This includes CEO Robert Diamond, who resigned Tuesday.

Last year Diamond received close to $39 million in total remuneration. Since joining the Barclays board in 2005, he has taken in $311.7 million in salary, benefits, bonuses and share awards. Less than a year ago, Diamond, who appeared Wednesday before the British House of Commons treasury select committee, told the same group that “the period of remorse and apology” by banks was over.

One reason the US and British governments and regulators want to sweep the scandal under the rug as quickly as possible is because they are directly implicated.

Charges that the banks were rigging Libor were raised at least as early as 2007 and were ignored by US and European governments and regulators. They were, in fact, encouraging the banks to submit low loan rate estimates after the financial crisis erupted in 2007 in order to hide the depth of the crisis and protect the financial elite. Barclays contends that Paul Tucker, deputy governor of the Bank of England, suggested to Diamond in October of 2008 that its submissions to the Libor board were too high.

Libor itself is a product of the deregulation of the banks carried out by capitalist governments of all stripes, nominally “left” as well as conservative, over the past 30 years. Launched in the mid-1980s, it is a prime example of “self-regulation,” a euphemism for giving the banks a free hand to rig markets and plunder the population.

It is presided over by the British Bankers’ Association (BBA), a private banking trade and lobby group, presently headed by the chairman of Barclays, Marcus Agius. Eighteen of the world’s biggest banks submit loan data to the Libor board every morning to help set the global rate to which their own trading bets are tied. These same banks control the BBA.

This, like so many other market mechanisms, is intrinsically corrupt and riddled with conflicts of interest.

Any claim that this cesspool of avarice and corruption can be “reformed” is the product of ignorance, self-delusion or deliberate deceit. The bankers who have committed fraud must be brought to justice and their illegally obtained fortunes seized and used to provide relief for the unemployed, the homeless and all those victimized by the financial mafia.

The fate of humanity, the rational and progressive allocation of resources to benefit the world’s inhabitants and prevent a further descent into social devastation, requires the expropriation of the banks by the working class and their transformation into public utilities democratically controlled and run in the interests of social need, not private profit.
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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

I think i posted similar in my investment thread. People will absolutely be going to jail for that shit, swept under a rug like nothing.

Pegged LIBOR is the largest fraud i have ever seen in my life, that is worst than the MBS crash.

You know those guys at Lehman Brothers?.... Barclays bought them alllllll up and here it comes. Good night.
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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

^^^

The sheer size of the numbers is staggering, but this is what you get when you run markets like a Casino - Vegas has more regulation then London does (not even joking) for F-sakes.

Baltimore is trying to push a suit on Barclay's and though I do agree with Spitzer that they are reaching *a bit* since many other factors do effect their budget sheets they did indeed get hustled for money that should of been there. Which would of been jobs, services, or whatever that would of been available to the citizens and taxpayers of the City if it were on the sheet for them.

Like I am not a numbers guy - Im all policy, political and strategic play, and social overseeing and ramifications.

For the numbers people here please try to explain to me how it makes any sense that more credit exists than global GDP?

In my mind there should not be any more collateral then double down what the earth can produce in wealth. There should not be more than 90-150 Trillion give or take in debt on earth, anymore defies logic to me. How can you leverage something that does not exist? This is where the mess started IMO. You can't gamble with chips you don't have.
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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

Quote: (07-13-2012 12:10 AM)kosko Wrote:  

For the numbers people here please try to explain to me how it makes any sense that more credit exists than global GDP?

In my mind there should not be any more collateral then double down what the earth can produce in wealth.

GDP is annual production. Total wealth is much higher. Just like you may make $100k a year, but you might have $500k in assets.

It's a stretch to call it an $800 Billion swindle. They didn't steal that much, I think that was the amount of money involved. I have read that it is in fact the biggest financial scandal ever though.

Unlike the other scandals, I've actually seen legit criticism from the finance press on this one, from Financial Times and The Economist. It seems like everything else up until now, they've just shrugged off the criticism as 'populism' and 'demogoguery.' They'd call scandals ambiguous terms like 'murky' and 'controversial.'

Most of the mainstream press is incredibly gullible. They will eat up everything industry tells them. And industrial titans are consummate pros at spitting lies that benefit them. Like "we need to import Indians to do tech jobs because no one else will do them [for half the US market rate and without benefits. And that limited visa confers a sort of slave status. ]." Or, "we'd love to hire, but the workforce just doesn't have the skills we need." I'm not sure journalists are bought off per se. They may just be fucking stupid, and go weak at the knees for rich men in suits.

I find alternative newspapers and magazines to be better in that respect, eg LA Weekly vs. The LA Times. Occasionally mainstream sources will have legit investigative journalism, but otherwise they just end up unwitting corporate shills. They just have no clue that most everyone they talk to in business is trying to bullshit them six ways from Sunday. If people want to bullshit, that's cool, but don't be a fool enough to take their explanations at face value and print them without any rebuttal.
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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

Spitzer's analysis was on point from start to finish. Sometimes the rate was higher, sometimes it was lower.

So there were winners and losers, and the majority of people who broke even.

In 2008 and 2009, it was widely reported in the financial press that the LIBOR rate didn't make sense. Credit had seized up, but the LIBOR hadn't dramatically increased to reflect that.

I haven't looked into the details of when Baltimore did their value destructive deals or whatever. If they lost money in 2008 or after, they were dupes. Not that that prevents them launching a suit for damages, of course.
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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

At least officials are doing something in the UK to rein in the rampaging "vampire squid"; with its enormous efforts to block / scrap / repeal Frank-Dodd, the USA is going fast in the opposite direction.

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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

In China, the worst criminals are executed. Even if it's really nothing more than thievery.

If you destroy someone's life-savings, the Chinese consider it almost as terrible a crime as murder.

I really think the death penalty of large-scale financial crime like this would be appropriate for people who do so much damage to so many lives. They are so obsessed with material wealth they will destroy the lives of othes to achieve that.

Madoff should have hanged. And the banking system should have been allowed to collapse so the lesson could hit home. It seems to me nothing has been leart from the financial crisis. The bankers, masses and politicians are still dreaming of a time of credit bubbles, easy money and instant gratification - ie. rampant greed unassuaged by the real work and hard efforts of the working people.

The decline in West is not just feminism, but materialism, hedonism and greed as well. Excessive appetites.

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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

Quote: (07-13-2012 04:41 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

At least officials are doing something in the UK to rein in the rampaging "vampire squid"; with its enormous efforts to block / scrap / repeal Frank-Dodd, the USA is going fast in the opposite direction.

"Vampire Squid" is exclusively used to refer to Goldman Sachs, not Barclays or any of the other banks.
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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

the bigger you make the lie, the easier you get off the hook. imagine yourself faking/manipulating barcodes at an grocery/..../-store and getting busted. you would have real legal problems. institutionalize your scam and rip off money from the masses, no problem

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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

Barclays is nowhere near the level of villainy and corruption that Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan, true, but by "vampire squid" I primarily mean the global financial industry, represented chiefly by the Big 5 American banks: Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Citigroup, Wells Fargo and Bank of America.

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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

There's been another MF Global-like situation with Peregrine Financial Group as well. Their CEO isn't Obama's chief fund raiser like Corzine so they are already moving toward receivership, and being probed by the Justice Department. A license to bank truly is a license to steal.

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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

I'm sure they will all be punished and sent into the outer circles of hell.
Just like Mark Rich.
Oh, wait...
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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

At a point the numbers become too staggeringly big so as to have any effect on the real world, like comprehending the size of the universe.

I suggest keeping cash under the mattress and gold coins in the cupboard.
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The LIBOR 0 Trillion Dollar Swindle: Largest Banking scandal ever

Given that it's the London Interbank rate, it's not getting as much play in the US. Because most adjustable rate mortgages here in the US are tied to US Treasury rates (most currently under 1%) rather than LIBOR.

And everyone here in the US knows the US Treasury rates are set by government fiat rather than being a free-floating reflection of daily markets. US Treasury rates are set at whatever Ben Berneke says they are, and Americans accept that.

The LIBOR rate itself is set stupidly, as if Londoners are still living in 1920. They phone up the same 16 banks every day, toss out the 4 highest and 4 lowest, and then average the middle 8. Really? That's their high tech way of setting the rate? It hasn't changed one iota in a century.

Maybe someone should tell the British Bankers Association about this thing called computers, the internet, and electronic markets. Taking the data from actual market exchanges still allows a lower level of fronting and cheating, but the market players lose money when they do. And they could expand the data pool to all existing banks rather than just 16, for comparatively little more CPU.

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