[thegmanifesto]

(06-29-2012 12:00 AM)brianmark Wrote:  

(06-28-2012 06:14 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 04:41 AM)brianmark Wrote:  

I would say there are very few SNL (single night lays - pickups and fucks) occurring in my major US city. Here is my basis for my statement. I seldom see guys making out with girls at bars. I do not see guys with drunk girls hanging on them. I seldom see them leaving bars arm in arm stumbling down the street. I don't even see them leaving bars romantically holding hands. I see most girls leaving bars in groups of girls and they are sober. I see guys leaving bars in groups of guys. So my conclusion is there is very little SNLs going on. Like less than 5% of the people hooking up and my guess is it's a lot closer to 1%!

What are your thoughts guys?

What city are you in?

I see the exact opposite of that every night in the places I roll.

To answer your question, yes first night swoops happen all the time.

Like another poster mentioned, Las Vegas is incredibly easy for first night swoops.

I feel I used to get way more when I was younger although I still throw down pretty heavy.

Now I usually get a number and do a First Date Swoop.

G,
I currently live in Atlanta. I have lived off an on in Atlanta about 15 years and do not think Atlanta is nearly as good as it used to be.

I have read your site a few times and see you have over 5000 post here on Roosh's site so I know you've already answered the questions I'm going to ask you. Is there a good interview with you somewhere?

First, are you a boxer or just a fan? How old are you? How do you look? What level girls are you getting on your SNLs? Is there something special that you do differently than most people to get your high numbers of SNLs?

I haven't been to Vegas recently but believe it is more productive than a normal US city. I've played a lot of beach vacation towns and know how much better they are.

My statement is about normal US cities and not vacation spots. I see you live in Mexico and I know things can be a lot better in many foreign countries. Where in USA do you live or which cities do you play the most in?

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First, are you a boxer or just a fan?

Wild Card Boxing Club, Hollywood, CA: It Ain’t Easy

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How old are you?

Old enough to have experience, young enough to use it.

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How do you look?

Like a young Andy Garcia or Manolo from Scarface with a little more Celtic Blood.

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What level girls are you getting on your SNLs?

What do you mean "level"?

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Is there something special that you do differently than most people to get your high numbers of SNLs?

I do everything different than "most people".

[WestCoast]

(06-29-2012 03:21 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(06-27-2012 10:42 PM)silbanis Wrote:  

Not a joke never set foot in a bar or club.Might go out
(alone) sometime this summer...with no expectations.


Anyways...SNL is a myth perpetuated by the PUA industry.It benefits them to have you believe that you can go out and with a tight enough game...you can sleep with a woman the same night that you meet her.
Its along the lines of the "Insta-date" nonsense that some PUAS like
to put forth as being a possibility.

I'm not saying that one night stands don't take place.They most certainly do..for the 1 % of guys who are extremely good looking, charismatic,have great rapport with women and who are able to keep things fun/moving along.

Of course location/circumstances will increase the chance of a SNL taking place;college dorm,spring break,private parties.,etc.

Can someone please post the trollin meme with the fat African baby dancing for me?

SNLs absolutely do happen. Maybe for the dipshits that typical PUA stuff attracts they don't, but if you are a cool guy with some style and not terribly ugly, you WILL get SNLs.

I have no idea how frequently SNLs happen for your AVERAGE dude at the bar, but I get them fairly often. Back home in California I can pull them once or twice a month if I go out 1-2x a week. Sometimes more, sometimes less. My average probably falls somewhere in the 1/4-1/8 range depending on venue and city.

Now, most of the girls are 6's, with some 7 and 7.5s in there. My biggest problem with SNLs is going for the lowest hanging fruit, as opposed to going after 7 and 8s exclusively. That is probably the next thing in game I really need to work on, not getting drunk and wanting to fuck any chick that passes the boner test. But there's no shame in my game, every player bones a 6 if they can't pull higher. Only dudes who get no pussy hate on dudes who fuck 6's. That, or they are delusional and inflate their straight 6 to a 8 when they lie to their friends.

Of course, a lot of dudes new in game might not be able to get SNLs often. God blessed me with not being a complete fuckin weirdo who was able to nail decent chicks before game, so I had a head start on many dudes in game.

It is absolutely absurd to think you can't get a snl. Last year 75% of mine were snl's. Yes these were just average looking girls, they were not "hot". One was incredibly hot, but she supposidly remembered me from a previous venue so it doesn't count.

SNL game is pull a girl a notch or even two below your relationship bar. Say you are a 6, most guys are here (god forbid worse). Your snl is going to be a 5. If you think you can pull above your looks on a SNL you are dumb or very lucky. This is like me saying "with game I can out pull a male model in a club no problem!" complete crap.

The logic for an snl is always "well he was so hot!" never "oh he was so interesting" that would be relationship game.

Relationship game it is possible to pull above, but that's time invested. Find me a dude where his SNL is better looking than his hottest LTR/Wife and I'll tell you for sure that guy has no game or is straight lying.

With that said, SNL is the best for seeing 1. Am I better looking than last year? 2. Gettin out of a rut 3. No time to invest in dates.

Guys who hate on SNLs tend to have bigger "egos" in the girls they bang, so their high standards lower their notch count and likely fall into he relationship trap quicker since you're essentially putting looks on a pedestal.

[Pilate]

With my SNLs the trend has nothing to do with the girl's looks, as they range from 5s to 8s. My game was basically the same on all of them, which is the same I always use. The biggest opportunity that made them happen for me was early qualification. Girls only force you to more than one date if they are having trouble qualifying you as worthy for entrance into their vag. Most of the time I had help getting the early qualification, whether it be because of social status, through friends, or having the right job. Other times it was because of something I was engaged in, such as dominating a poker table, or schooling some guys at beer pong at the dive bar, hell one time it was because I downed a beer right before closing time in one motion. All in all, for me SNLs account for probably 10% of my lays, and it's definitively logistics driven as when I lived in a casino town and had a condo a few blocks from the strip I was averaging about one a week since girls were there to misbehave anyway. Now that I'm in a college town and nearing 30 I'm struggling to get SNLs as often and hit one maybe 1 out of every 25 times I go out.

[Mr McGillycuddy]

(06-29-2012 03:21 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

SNLs absolutely do happen. Maybe for the dipshits that typical PUA stuff attracts they don't, but if you are a cool guy with some style and not terribly ugly, you WILL get SNLs.

I agree with this 100%. Guys who can't even interact with a store clerk without getting nervous and laying a brick in their pants aren't going to be pulling a girl within minutes/hours of meeting her. But if you live a pretty normal existence, its probably within your grasp to make that happen at least every once in a while.

(06-29-2012 12:45 PM)brianmark Wrote:  

Thanks again for the great answer! I am even shorter than you and have been able to pull girls. Yes it true that shorter guys might not get noticed as quickly as a real tall guys, but with good game you can get girls. You and I have both proven it. I've actually tried to post on other sites where some guy attribute there lack of never getting a girl to height alone, I have told them that is bullshit! There is something else wrong, like no game, no personality, maybe really ugly.

I think the disadvantages of being short are pretty clear but I think there are a few advantages. The primary one is proximity to the girl's face, IMO. I always watch these tall dudes who have to bend down to say something into a girls ear or even to just talk to her normally. Not me. My entire escalation game revolves around bodies pressed on each other, grabbing the back of her neck and whispering in her ear, face-to-face talking, almost kisses, and neck/ear bites. I can't imagine having to bend down one foot to do any of those things. But perhaps my game evolved that way because I am short.

Height is the one thing you can't realistically change so why bother worrying about it?

But I do absolutely think in most cases its a waste of time to go for a girl taller than you. I have of course gotten girls who are taller than me but they were almost all warm approach (blatant eye contact, etc...) or social circle intros. The tallest girl I ever fucked was an SNL. Tall Slovakian girl who grabbed by friend and told him I had the most beautiful smile she had ever seen. Softball right down the middle.

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As far as the short girls go, are they a specific enthnic group? Anyway I don't want to be accussed of being a race troll, but I've been all over and their are differences between ethnic groups, with some more liberal and some more conservative than others. Thanks for the information!

Well, I prefer dark girls, so there's probably a bit of a selection bias but I doubt its a surprise to anyone on this forum that I've had the most success (remember: blond hair/blue eyes) with Spanish/Portuguese speaking girls. I've also not had much of a problem with American girls, (but another selection bias since I deal with them the majority of the time). I get a fair amount of attention from Japanese girls here in Hawaii too but again, they tend to be small and place value on lighter eye and hair combos. Conversely, its not always a case of opposites attract because many of the dark, local girls born and raised here (Hawaiian, Polynesian, Asian, Portuguese and mixes of them) prefer "brown." I think that's more due to social programming.

(06-29-2012 01:39 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

SNL game is pull a girl a notch or even two below your relationship bar. Say you are a 6, most guys are here (god forbid worse). Your snl is going to be a 5. If you think you can pull above your looks on a SNL you are dumb or very lucky. This is like me saying "with game I can out pull a male model in a club no problem!" complete crap.

I agree in that there are certainly groups of girls: SNL-only (i.e. one and done), would take on a date for the bang, would bang many times/consider a relationship. If you strictly want a notch, just go go any girl above your minimum requirement.

But you can certainly get SNLs from girls who are in the "repeated bang" or potential relationship category. Its just a matter of success rate. For example, if I get tired of swooping 6s just to get the notch, I can still play "SNL Game" but I keep my prospects to girls that I know I would want to bang on repeated occasions. My criteria for success will have shifted from "How many notches did I get?" to "How many girls did I get that I hung out with multiple times?" but process of SNLing is the same, just less successful. I'm not saying this is the best way to get relationship caliber girls, but if you are in a nightclub and that's your perogative, then sure, it could work.

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Guys who hate on SNLs tend to have bigger "egos" in the girls they bang, so their high standards lower their notch count and likely fall into he relationship trap quicker since you're essentially putting looks on a pedestal.

Exactly. I used to be like that. What you realize is that SNL is often about the rush of the conquest and hopefully getting a sexually open-minded and freaky girl in bed and having fun. You don't have to "GO 5 FOR 5 WITH SUPERMODEL 10s!!1!!!" to achieve that.

[Mr McGillycuddy]

(06-29-2012 02:59 PM)Pilate Wrote:  

hell one time it was because I downed a beer right before closing time in one motion

The ultimate panty-dropper. Signifies that you embody all that is man.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-29-2012 01:39 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

This is like me saying "with game I can out pull a male model in a club no problem!" complete crap.

I don't think that is complete crap at all.

You can totally do that.

I am never really worried about competition from "male models" of all things.

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The logic for an snl is always "well he was so hot!" never "oh he was so interesting" that would be relationship game.

I have to disagree with you here.

Being interesting is what it is all about.

You just have to be mad interesting.

[j r]

(06-29-2012 03:37 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 01:39 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

The logic for an snl is always "well he was so hot!" never "oh he was so interesting" that would be relationship game.

I have to disagree with you here.

Being interesting is what it is all about.

You just have to be mad interesting.

I agree. The female brain doesn't really distinguish between hot and interesting; it only knows attraction. It's only a problem when you're an interesting herb and won't escalate; then you'll get friend-zoned.

[Deb Auchery]

Anyone can get SNL, it's a matter of confidence

[WestCoast]

(06-29-2012 03:37 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 01:39 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

This is like me saying "with game I can out pull a male model in a club no problem!" complete crap.

I don't think that is complete crap at all.

You can totally do that.

I am never really worried about competition from "male models" of all things.

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The logic for an snl is always "well he was so hot!" never "oh he was so interesting" that would be relationship game.

I have to disagree with you here.

Being interesting is what it is all about.

You just have to be mad interesting.

Fair enough perhaps I need to get even more interesting/clean up my talking skills. You must be one interesting cat. I'll come back with a few more good stories this year.

Must just be my experience as the SNLs I get are basically me getting eye raped, walk over spit game move away from friends and then say lets get outta here. I'm already too damn arrogant if I have to be more that's outrageous!

[Juan Antonio]

Venue selection is key.

I know guys who pull 1 in 2 to 1 in 3 times they go out. Mind you they hit up a bar well known for sloppy easy lays.

- It's a dive bar with cheap drinks. Lots of drunk girls.

- It's adjacent to a party school with a 2 to 1 female to male ratio.

- It's small. This keeps out the attention whores who go out in large groups to take pics for Facebook and dance in circles as these types gravitate towards the mega-clubs. Lots of 2 and 3 sets.

- It's got a great setup. There's a quieter area to run verbal game and a dance floor to escalate physically.

- It's within walking distance to the "student ghetto" of dorms and houses where the college kids reside, so logistics are ideal.

- It's in a college town. Unlike in NYC/DC/SF there isn't a huge cohort of thirsty young professional cats to compete with. Most of the older 25+ cats are married or in serious LTRs.

All these factors make it a goldmine for players looking to score with horny college girls looking for dick.

Sadly, you won't ever find such a bar/club in an American big city as word would spread and it would quickly morph into a sausagefest.

[brianmark]

(07-03-2012 10:09 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

Venue selection is key.

I know guys who pull 1 in 2 to 1 in 3 times they go out. Mind you they hit up a bar well known for sloppy easy lays.

- It's a dive bar with cheap drinks. Lots of drunk girls.

- It's adjacent to a party school with a 2 to 1 female to male ratio.

- It's small. This keeps out the attention whores who go out in large groups to take pics for Facebook and dance in circles as these types gravitate towards the mega-clubs. Lots of 2 and 3 sets.

- It's got a great setup. There's a quieter area to run verbal game and a dance floor to escalate physically.

- It's within walking distance to the "student ghetto" of dorms and houses where the college kids reside, so logistics are ideal.

- It's in a college town. Unlike in NYC/DC/SF there isn't a huge cohort of thirsty young professional cats to compete with. Most of the older 25+ cats are married or in serious LTRs.

All these factors make it a goldmine for players looking to score with horny college girls looking for dick.

Sadly, you won't ever find such a bar/club in an American big city as word would spread and it would quickly morph into a sausagefest.

Where is this Poosey Paradise? What quaility of girls are these guys getting for SNLs? Are you pulling any SNL from this place?

[Screwston]

(07-07-2012 04:42 AM)brianmark Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 10:09 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

Venue selection is key.

I know guys who pull 1 in 2 to 1 in 3 times they go out. Mind you they hit up a bar well known for sloppy easy lays.

- It's a dive bar with cheap drinks. Lots of drunk girls.

- It's adjacent to a party school with a 2 to 1 female to male ratio.

- It's small. This keeps out the attention whores who go out in large groups to take pics for Facebook and dance in circles as these types gravitate towards the mega-clubs. Lots of 2 and 3 sets.

- It's got a great setup. There's a quieter area to run verbal game and a dance floor to escalate physically.

- It's within walking distance to the "student ghetto" of dorms and houses where the college kids reside, so logistics are ideal.

- It's in a college town. Unlike in NYC/DC/SF there isn't a huge cohort of thirsty young professional cats to compete with. Most of the older 25+ cats are married or in serious LTRs.

All these factors make it a goldmine for players looking to score with horny college girls looking for dick.

Sadly, you won't ever find such a bar/club in an American big city as word would spread and it would quickly morph into a sausagefest.

Where is this Poosey Paradise? What quaility of girls are these guys getting for SNLs? Are you pulling any SNL from this place?

Yeah, where the hell are you located with bars like this? Spill the beans player.

[Don_Johnson]

(06-27-2012 05:02 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

It's always nice to get SNL. The smug smile you give yourself in the bathroom mirror in the club you are in. Agreeing with every stupid thing she says on the way home , just to make sure she crosses your doorstep. Pretending to believe her when she says "I don't normally do this". Or disagreeing when she says "you probably think i'm such a slut"

I'm 34, and at my age - I am so sick of hearing the line that "I don't normally do this". And this is when hooking up with girls 27-31. Yeah right babe, you've been whoring around since you were 15 and you expect me to believe this is a new experience for you, just five years before you're functionally sterile.

[Kish]

(07-03-2012 10:09 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

Sadly, you won't ever find such a bar/club in an American big city as word would spread and it would quickly morph into a sausagefest.

Lmfao! Very true.

[soup]

re: girls saying "I don't normally do this"

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