[Edmunds]

All over the place you see pictures posted of these models who have such nice faces and good bodies. A lot have told me that it isn't necessarily the rich guys who are hittin it, if it isn't them, then what kind of guys out there are sleeping with the 8s and up?

What kind of guys are these 8s and ups going for from your experience?

Some say Frat Kids but from my experience, most of them only go with sororities close to them. I mean the girls who are porn models but don't do porn (basically girls that do solos) and such, the girls who have the really good looks but not the fame to go with it, etc.

[velkrum]

I usually lose out to a certain type of guy, every time, when competing for a girl.
They usually have these features:

• 6ft or taller
• black hair
• symmetrical/angular Face
• sharp brows

I've also noticed women tend to throw themselves at guys like this or be very sexually forward. This look seems to be a universal ideal that most if not all women go for (tall, dark and handsome).

[Belize King]

Shitty thread. Ask the question in the newbie subforum. You see that our game threads don't ask how to bang 8's. What do you care who bangs who? Find you a new wingman or a buddy in your group who bangs what you consider an 8 and study his game. Step your game up so you can get what you want. Step your wardobe game up. Approach, approach, approach. Have you bought any of Roosh books? We have a few books threads on what members recommend. Pick up some of those books. Seems like you are under 30. It isn't shit to pick up a 18-23 yo who hasn't been fucked by the world. Hit up the 18+ bars and pick you up one of the dumb naive lizards that you consider hot.

If you consider a USA 8 is stuck up then travel and see how feminine women really act. You see our travel section section and how American women are bashed almost constantly. Hit up South America, Eastern Europe, or SE Asia. You may find it refreshing how the women aren't as into your money, power, or looks as American women are. Point is you got to go out and get what you want. Stop thinking about what another man is fucking and be that man.

[Screwston]

[velkrum]

TexasMade Wrote:

Shitty thread.
If you consider a USA 8 is stuck up then travel and see how feminine women really act.

• You may find it refreshing how the women aren't as into your money, power, or looks as American women are.
• Point is you got to go out and get what you want.
• Stop thinking about what another man is fucking and be that man.

See...I don't have a problem with women being super picky and liking what they like..

It is contradictory when guys on this forum get upset about not having certain desirable qualities to get women (money,looks power), yet they will endlessly preach that guys need to develop desirable qualities to get women.

I think the issue or fault lies more on the shoulders of men than it does entitled women. If more men had desirable qualities (within their control) and did not tolerate the regressive attitudes of women, gender relations, would not be as bad as they are now.

Far too many men strive to be average and content while women seem to always want to do better (education and workplace) or obtain better (lifestyle, men, success).

I think it's a great thread because it shows women are visual creatures and they do have specific preferences (just like guys). The only difference, (as they get older) they might be quicker to settle with someone who was not their #1,2,3,4,5,6,7 or 8th pick.

if you are a guy that does not fall into the tall dark and handsome category and you have low self esteem or a fragile ego, knowing this truth might hurt your feelings...(but that is not what this thread is about, it is a discussion like any other)

[OGNorCal707]

I'm curious what the average caliber of woman a typical RVF member pulls here in the U.S.? I'd say my average would probably be a 6.5, I typically hook up with chicks in the 6-7 range, had a few slump busting 5's and a few 8's, but most fall in the 6-7 range.

I'm guessing most women would probably rate me a 7, maybe a 7.5 if they're not too hung up on height and are digging "my look."

In my opinion it's quite rare that a guy will date 2 points higher than his level, unless he has high status or dope lifestyle ($$), so basically a 6 man will have little chances of dating an 8, unless he brings something else to the table.

I'd really like to do better and average closer to 7.5, ideally 8+, but the sexual/dating market I am in is too heavily stacked against men.

[velkrum]

Men's preferences for women are far more diverse than women's preference for men. One guy's 8 is another guy's 4. What matters is how well you do with the type of woman you are specifically attracted to.

...but then you have to factor in other location specific variables.

• Ratio
• Preferences
• Culture

Guys who fit the tall, dark, handsome, descriptions do consistently well with women, despite any variables or ratio disparity.

During a drought, these are the guys that will get what little women are available. During equal to favorable ratios (women outnumbering men) they will be the guys who get the top tier women (or any woman they consider top tier).

...and because they are sought after by a majority of women these are the guys that will be known as your players, bad boys, naturals and alphas.

Women settle for all other guys who do not fit the description, but they can grow to appreciate and like who they have settled with.

This is why guys should learn how to be the best they can be (financially, mentally, aesthetically). Women eventually figure out a great guy doesn't always fit the cookie cutter mold they imagined.They decide to try different types of men only to realize the guy who has his life together but didn't fit her laundry list of entitlements was probably perfect for her all along (nice guys finish last).

[Deb Auchery]

I'm 6"6, black hair, blue eyes. I suppose I look a bit like the guy on the right. I have done modelling

My voice helps me out, I have been told I have a deep, soothing voice, and that I speak "the Queen's English"

It is automatically assumed that I am intelligent, and highly educated due to my voice, but this is just a smokescreen, I never even went to university, I was just taught to speak very well by my father. It does me well enough to get the girl in bed though.

I use very little game that I am aware of, might be some moves that come natural to me. I just try to be confident, smile and be a nice guy.

[keepreal]

(06-30-2012 11:51 PM)TexasMade Wrote:  

Shitty thread. Ask the question in the newbie subforum. You see that our game threads don't ask how to bang 8's. What do you care who bangs who? Find you a new wingman or a buddy in your group who bangs what you consider an 8 and study his game. Step your game up so you can get what you want. Step your wardobe game up. Approach, approach, approach. Have you bought any of Roosh books? We have a few books threads on what members recommend. Pick up some of those books. Seems like you are under 30. It isn't shit to pick up a 18-23 yo who hasn't been fucked by the world. Hit up the 18+ bars and pick you up one of the dumb naive lizards that you consider hot.

If you consider a USA 8 is stuck up then travel and see how feminine women really act. You see our travel section section and how American women are bashed almost constantly. Hit up South America, Eastern Europe, or SE Asia. You may find it refreshing how the women aren't as into your money, power, or looks as American women are. Point is you got to go out and get what you want. Stop thinking about what another man is fucking and be that man.

Most girls from any country cares about ur money and social status, and less so looks just that foreign girls in developing countries have a lower standard cuz they are poorer and u have a higher status. In fact Roosh says a lot american/western bitches especially the rich ones care less about ur money and status in society except for LTR, they care more if u are masculine/sexy and fun.

[Greek kamaki]

Here in Greece I have noticed that 8's,9's fall for the following categories of guys:
1.Young tall and muscular
2.A little above average looking but with good social circle
3.Older guys with money

[Edmunds]

Funny you guys make such a big deal out of Black hair. So many young girls I have talked to are crazy for Ryan Gosling, Bradley Cooper, and Chris Hemsworth. I have the jet Black hair with brown eyes, if anything, I realized that it has driven some women away from me with others telling me I look too "common". Doesn't help that I have a big nose too (Feels bad!).

I am still working on a cut, with my height being 6 ft (not that tall), I still have chubby cheeks even though I don't have much fat on my stomach. Started taking supplements but a lot of this symmetrical and angular face stuff you talk of, I used to think it was ALL genetics but lately after being on bodybuilding.com everyone has me convince that it is going to be there once you get single digit bodyfat.

To the dude who said why do I care so much for American women, the situation I am in right now makes me bend for them, there are hardly any foreign women around where I am at other than Asian FOBs. Hoping to go back to NYC.

Gotta say, you guys are SPOT ON about American women, even the 5s and 6s in my state feel that they are entitled to a Cristiano Ronaldo.

[Edmunds]

I don't even know if Tall dark and handsome still has its appeal, in the college I am at, two of my good friends are Blonde guys with "All American" looks and they consistently

1. get showered with women
2. get called pretty boys
3. have girls (of all backgrounds) give them attention
4. are doing good with women despite not even knowing about "game", they just stand there and women approach them

I have brown eyes with dark hair and a huge nose, I am taller than them too, but the thing is I have BF levels at around 14% so I have fat left on my cheeks (was a fat kid due to bad parenting and bad decisions).

Btw, one of those guys you posted is on Bodybuilding.com, I think he is a member there.

I have started reading GQ often.

[Deb Auchery]

(07-01-2012 10:29 AM)Edmunds Wrote:  

I don't even know if Tall dark and handsome still has its appeal, in the college I am at, two of my good friends are Blonde guys with "All American" looks and they consistently

1. get showered with women
2. get called pretty boys
3. have girls (of all backgrounds) give them attention
4. are doing good with women despite not even knowing about "game", they just stand there and women approach them

I have brown eyes with dark hair and a huge nose, I am taller than them too, but the thing is I have BF levels at around 14% so I have fat left on my cheeks (was a fat kid due to bad parenting and bad decisions).

Btw, one of those guys you posted is on Bodybuilding.com, I think he is a member there.

I have started reading GQ often.

Of course women aren't exclusively into tall guys, but most will see it as an advantage at least.

[Cooze Hound]

Im 5'8" and my height can be a problem with a lot of girls. I tend to run into this more in countries in EE, where the women tend to be taller than me, however I still have dated some girls taller than myself, but I also look latin and this bolds well in EE as look is not common. In the US I find that even the shorty fatty is looking for the tall, dark and handsome model looking guy. I always wondered who feeding these fatties the idea that they can land these model guys? Or do they really land these guys? If so I never see a fatty out with a guy that like the ones above, but somehow they all have this sense of entitlement.

[XXL]

(06-30-2012 10:26 PM)Edmunds Wrote:  

A lot have told me that it isn't necessarily the rich guys who are hittin it, if it isn't them, then what kind of guys out there are sleeping with the 8s and up?

What kind of guys are these 8s and ups going for from your experience?

guys with 2 main attributes..

- location - there are guys who purposefully set up their life to make it impossible to be around average women. cool apartment near nightlife is incredibly huge advantage. all it takes is to say "afterparty, 2 minute walk, let's go!" and voila

- access - connections open up the gates to top venues 7 days a week so getting hot girls is almost like a byproduct of simply being at the same place. i once met a male model and believe me the guy was lame IMO but it's irrelevant since he's in the same social/work environment as models/hotties and that is enough.

only few times i had these 2 things taken care of and let me just say it's brutally effective, i felt so bad for other dudes competing for girls with us..

[thegmanifesto]

(07-01-2012 11:51 AM)Cooze Hound Wrote:  

Im 5'8" and my height can be a problem with a lot of girls. I tend to run into this more in countries in EE, where the women tend to be taller than me, however I still have dated some girls taller than myself, but I also look latin and this bolds well in EE as look is not common. In the US I find that even the shorty fatty is looking for the tall, dark and handsome model looking guy. I always wondered who feeding these fatties the idea that they can land these model guys? Or do they really land these guys? If so I never see a fatty out with a guy that like the ones above, but somehow they all have this sense of entitlement.

Your height is only a problem if you make it one.

Especially at 5'8.

Now if you were 2'8, I would have some sympathy for you.

[rudebwoy]

I know this is up for debate, but men with money tend to score higher ranking girls.

Height is important on a primal level, but you compensate for it with other factors.

[Edmunds]

I am 6 ft, doubt height is that bad for me.

What I need to know is this though, when you say ACCESS, how TOUGH is it to get that?

[HiFlo]

(07-01-2012 02:46 PM)Edmunds Wrote:  

I am 6 ft, doubt height is that bad for me.

What I need to know is this though, when you say ACCESS, how TOUGH is it to get that?

Very tough. It's your lifestyle & career. 95% of male careers are not in a poosay paradise.

You could pursue recreational activities on the side? Perhaps being a photographer of models? Of course, that demands both a time and monetary investment but it may be quite effective.

[Locke]

Guys with high status and rich guys are banging most of the 8+. Basically frat boys and guys with high powered careers. It's hard to compete with game alone when you competing with this:

This one is 100x worse. I bet half of all 8+'s have attitudes like this. They won't give you the time of day if you don't have status or money:

[Edmunds]

(07-01-2012 03:39 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 02:46 PM)Edmunds Wrote:  

I am 6 ft, doubt height is that bad for me.

What I need to know is this though, when you say ACCESS, how TOUGH is it to get that?

Very tough. It's your lifestyle & career. 95% of male careers are not in a poosay paradise.

You could pursue recreational activities on the side? Perhaps being a photographer of models? Of course, that demands both a time and monetary investment but it may be quite effective.

I am only 21 (well consider myself that age, my birthday is coming up in 2 weeks), still in college so I am trying things out and haven't truly gotten established. What can I be doing right now to get that access at a later age?

[WestCoast]

(07-01-2012 08:03 PM)Edmunds Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 03:39 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 02:46 PM)Edmunds Wrote:  

I am 6 ft, doubt height is that bad for me.

What I need to know is this though, when you say ACCESS, how TOUGH is it to get that?

Very tough. It's your lifestyle & career. 95% of male careers are not in a poosay paradise.

You could pursue recreational activities on the side? Perhaps being a photographer of models? Of course, that demands both a time and monetary investment but it may be quite effective.

I am only 21, still in college so I am trying things out and haven't truly gotten established. What can I be doing right now to get that access at a later age?

?
Get a good job. Get a job today to get a better job post graduation. Why chase girls in college if your career is not set? Most guys who slay a lot in college end up peetering off because they don't get a real job, end up in some shit 9-5. Your best years are 30+. Acquire capital.

I've posted way too much today massively hungover from last night. So i'm out but in all seriousness when everyone is broke in college its all just social circle/fun guy game on the cheap. Spend all your time trying to break into the top 1% of jobs because that'll pay long-term dividends. Any girls that fall into your lap in college, great, if not who cares you can pull them at any time.

Most people will fail at breaking into a good job and keeping it, take a stab at it while you can or else you'll pay for it dearly later.

[HiFlo]

(07-01-2012 08:03 PM)Edmunds Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 03:39 PM)HiFlo Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 02:46 PM)Edmunds Wrote:  

I am 6 ft, doubt height is that bad for me.

What I need to know is this though, when you say ACCESS, how TOUGH is it to get that?

Very tough. It's your lifestyle & career. 95% of male careers are not in a poosay paradise.

You could pursue recreational activities on the side? Perhaps being a photographer of models? Of course, that demands both a time and monetary investment but it may be quite effective.

I am only 21 (well consider myself that age, my birthday is coming up in 2 weeks), still in college so I am trying things out and haven't truly gotten established. What can I be doing right now to get that access at a later age?

photography? take a college course, get a nice camera, save up for some nice lighting/DSLR and shoot women. Befriend wannabe makeup chicks to do the models makeup for free. That's what i've always wanted to do, and hope to pull the trigger one day.

get involved in any co-ed activity they have no matter how gay. try it out once. if it sucks, don't come back. if its cool, return.

[Screwston]

Stop feeding the troll

[Thatdude]

guys with game...