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Street Smarts vs Book Smarts
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Street Smarts vs Book Smarts

Why Highly Intelligent People Fail At The Most Important Things In Life

Read more: http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/...z1yFzyvYLx

Satoshi Kanazawa is Reader in Management at the London School of Economics and Political Science, and Honorary Research Fellow in the Department of Psychology at Birkbeck College, University of London.

He has written over 80 articles across the fields of psychology, sociology, political science, economics, anthropology and biology.

One such was his widely reported article “Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent” (2010). His latest book is called “The Intelligence Paradox: Why the Intelligent Choice Isn’t Always the Smart One” (2012).

What, if any, evolutionary advantage does intelligence give us?

Actually, less intelligent people are better at doing most things. In the ancestral environment general intelligence was helpful only for solving a handful of evolutionarily novel problems.

Suggested reading: “The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life” by Herrnstein, Richard J. and Charles Murray (1994)

You mean our ancestors did not really have to reason?

Evolution equipped humans with solutions for a whole range of problems of survival and reproduction. All they had to do was to behave in the ways in which evolution had designed them to behave—eat food that tastes good, have sex with the most attractive mates. However, for a few evolutionarily novel problems, evolution equipped us with general intelligence so that our ancestors could reason in order to solve them. These evolutionarily novel problems were few and far between. Basically, dealing with any type of major natural disaster that is very infrequent in occurrence would require general intelligence.

Suggested reading: “Evolutionary Psychology and Intelligence Research” by Satoshi Kanazawa, in American Psychologist; 65: 279-289 (2010)

Why do we consider intelligence to be so important in modern life?

General intelligence is very important in modern life because our environment is almost entirely evolutionarily novel. Most of the problems that we have to solve today—how to excel in school, how to find jobs, how to do virtually everything on a computer—are evolutionarily novel. So intelligent people do well in almost every sphere of modern life, except for the most important things, like how to find a mate, how to raise a child, how to make friends. Intelligence does not confer any advantage for solving all the evolutionarily familiar problems that our ancestors encountered. More intelligent people do not have any advantage in finding mates and often have disadvantages.

Suggested reading: Gottfredson, Linda S. (Editor.) 1997. “Special Issue on Intelligence and Social Policy” by Linda S. Gottfredson in Intelligence; Volume 24, Issue 1 (January-February 1997).

Why would being a good problem solver mean you were less good at the ordinary more instinctive behavior?

General intelligence evolved to solve evolutionarily novel problems, so intelligent people are more likely to acquire and espouse evolutionarily novel preferences and values. They are more likely to recognize and develop tastes for things that our ancestors did not have 100,000 years ago. For example, more intelligent people are more likely to be left-wing liberals because our ancestors were “conservative” by the contemporary American definition—they only cared about the well-being of their friends and family. They are more likely to be atheist because the preferred theory in evolutionary psychology is that humans are designed to believe in God.

Really?

Humans appear to be designed to be paranoid; they are designed to see intentional agents behind natural phenomena. This is because making the mistake of thinking that a natural event has an intentional agent behind it is less potentially costly than being oblivious and thinking that an intentional event, like someone trying to kill you, has a coincidental cause. The paranoid outlive the oblivious. Belief in God may be a consequence of this tendency. Intelligent people are more likely to be nocturnal because humans are designed to wake up when the sun comes up and go to sleep when the sun goes down. They are more likely to be homosexual, because humans are evolutionarily designed to reproduce heterosexually. They are more likely to enjoy instrumental music because music in its evolutionary origin was vocal, and they are more likely to consume alcohol, cigarettes and drugs because all of these substances are evolutionarily novel.

Surely intoxication is a way of not thinking? And isn’t drug and alcohol addiction worse among the disadvantaged?

Some people suggest that more intelligent people think too much and therefore need alcohol to stop thinking, but that’s not my argument. My point is that the human consumption of alcohol, tobacco and psychoactive drugs is a relatively new phenomenon. Both the American and British population data (nationally representative samples of Americans and Brits) show that more intelligent people consume more alcohol more frequently.

So intelligent people do not behave better than less intelligent people?

No, sometimes they do stupid things. What intelligent people prefer is not good or bad, right or wrong, but it is always evolutionarily novel. More intelligent boys (but not more intelligent girls) are more likely to grow up to value sexual exclusivity. This is because humans are naturally polygynous. Sexual exclusivity is evolutionarily novel for men but not for women, so more intelligent men are more likely to value sexual exclusivity than less intelligent men. There is also some evidence that intelligent people are more likely to be vegetarians, because humans are evolutionarily designed to be omnivorous.

Criminals on average have lower intelligence than law-abiding citizens. Firstly, most behaviours designated as crimes are just natural means of competition that men have engaged in throughout evolutionary history. Secondly, institutions and technologies that control criminal behaviour today—CCTV cameras, police, court, prison—are all evolutionarily novel, so less intelligent men are less likely truly to comprehend such entities.

Suggested reading: “The Singing Neanderthals: The Origins of Music, Language, Mind and Body”by Steven Mithen (2005); and “Why Night Owls Are More Intelligent” by Satoshi Kanazawa and Kaja Perina in

Personality and Individual Difference; 47: 685-690 (2008)

You say less intelligent people are good at the important things. What are they?

Would you rather be a good brain surgeon or a good parent? Would you rather be a good corporate executive or a good friend? More intelligent people don’t always make good parents or friends. Intelligent women make the worst kind of parents, simply because they are less likely to become parents in the first place. There is also some evidence that children of more intelligent women are more likely to suffer from health and behavioural problems, probably due to the fact that they tend to have children later.

Why?

Because reproductive success is the ultimate goal of all living organisms, so intelligent women are more likely to go against such evolutionary design. My theory would also predict that intelligent men should be less likely to become parents, but data do not confirm that. Some suggest that women prefer to have children with more intelligent men, but the data contradict this too. Men’s income or education has no effect on their likelihood of becoming parents. Intelligence doesn’t allow us to do better what we are designed by evolution to do. Saint Exupery writes; “Voici mon secret. Il est très simple: on ne voit bien qu’avec le cœur. L’essential est invisible pour les yeux.”

Suggested reading: “Le Petit Prince” by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (1943)

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I've seen guys that were book smart and I've seen guys that were street smart. I've even seen guys that were both.

The guys who get the girls are social smart. They know how to appear cool and popular. They know how to create a vibe and look that demonstrates status and popularity. They know how to dress and talk to girls. Many of these guys are not very bright. They just know how to present themselves in a way that girls will respond to.
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It is my experience that most people are idiots no matter how you frame it, myself included. The difference between an idiot and a successful idiot is the ability to put your ego in check and be honest with yourself.

Hell, there's plenty of really smart feminists out there, but all they use their brains for is making more and more sophisticated piles of hamstershit to vainly try to alter humanity into thinking more highly of them.
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Quote: (06-19-2012 12:21 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I've seen guys that were book smart and I've seen guys that were street smart. I've even seen guys that were both.

The guys who get the girls are social smart. They know how to appear cool and popular. They know how to create a vibe and look that demonstrates status and popularity. They know how to dress and talk to girls. Many of these guys are not very bright. They just know how to present themselves in a way that girls will respond to.

I would hesitate to use the word smart in this scenario. I think a more appropriate word is talented. We all know the best pussy nabbers aren't on game forums, reading game blogs, or writing up data sheets. They just go out there and do what always worked for them.

It's the guys like us (who are probably more on the side of book smart) that have to go out there and practice approach after approach, analyze what we did, and refine. Only after we do several hundred approaches and see some success can we stop thinking about it.

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Quote: (06-19-2012 01:09 PM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  

I would hesitate to use the word smart in this scenario. I think a more appropriate word is talented. We all know the best pussy nabbers aren't on game forums, reading game blogs, or writing up data sheets. They just go out there and do what always worked for them.

It's the guys like us (who are probably more on the side of book smart) that have to go out there and practice approach after approach, analyze what we did, and refine. Only after we do several hundred approaches and see some success can we stop thinking about it.

Agreed.

Great points. Book smart guys tend to over think this stuff and have a hard time accepting the counter-intuitive parts of game.

Sometimes we have to dumb ourselves down to have more success with women.

I agree that "talented" is probably a better word then "smart".
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Quote: (06-19-2012 12:21 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I've seen guys that were book smart and I've seen guys that were street smart. I've even seen guys that were both.

The guys who get the girls are social smart. They know how to appear cool and popular. They know how to create a vibe and look that demonstrates status and popularity. They know how to dress and talk to girls. Many of these guys are not very bright. They just know how to present themselves in a way that girls will respond to.

One of my good friends has always killed it with girls. Tall, good looking, athletic, boisterous personality.....dumb as shit. Me and my other friends joke and say his only two talents in life are girls and fishing, because he also loves to fish. Guy is as dumb as a box of rocks but girls flock to him.

Funny thing is sometimes a girl will be like "Oh my god! I can't believe I fucked ****, he's so stupid and annoying!". The girls are just too stupid to realize it until they have already given up the goods lol.

He can be a great wingman because he has zero approach anxiety and will walk up to a group of 6 girls on the river and just go at it. Think his lack of mental capacity makes him fearless in that regard. Can't count the number of times hes pulled groups of girls back to party after a night at the bar or on the river. Too bad hes married now.

Honestly though, mentally he is still about 15 years old. It's too bad because it really hampers the other parts of his life, and becomes more apparent and more detrimental to him the older he gets. He's a good guy but I think life is going to get really tough for him the older he gets.
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Quote: (06-19-2012 12:21 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I've seen guys that were book smart and I've seen guys that were street smart. I've even seen guys that were both.

The guys who get the girls are social smart. They know how to appear cool and popular. They know how to create a vibe and look that demonstrates status and popularity. They know how to dress and talk to girls. Many of these guys are not very bright. They just know how to present themselves in a way that girls will respond to.

I agree. Importance of social skills are taken for granted. Most guys are bumbling idiots when it comes to girls.
American Pie for example. Jason Biggs was so socially retarded he couldn't even bang the hot foreign girl that was throwing herself at him.

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I've seen the same thing in sports. Book smart guys can over think things and put to much pressure on themselves. Dumb guys just react from a more primal, animalistic place. They aren't always as aware of the total situation including consequences and repercussions, they just play ball the only way they now how. I think dumb guys are smart sometimes because they know they are dumb. They don't think about stuff as much. They don't trust their own brain. They just do what they feel. In that way, maybe they are more like women, operating from emotions rather then logic.

Sport psychologists say that when we are "in the zone", we are not thinking with our brains but rather just reacting from our "instincts".

"Over-analysis causes paralysis" is a phrase I like.

On the other hand, the coaches, managers, and owners are often pretty smart.
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Quote: (06-19-2012 02:26 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I've seen the same thing in sports. Book smart guys can over think things and put to much pressure on themselves. Dumb guys just react from a more primal, animalistic place. They aren't always as aware of the total situation including consequences and repercussions, they just play ball the only way they now how. I think dumb guys are smart sometimes because they know they are dumb. They don't think about stuff as much. They don't trust their own brain. They just do what they feel. In that way, maybe they are more like women, operating from emotions rather then logic.

Sport psychologists say that when we are "in the zone", we are not thinking with our brains but rather just reacting from our "instincts".

"Over-analysis causes paralysis" is a phrase I like.

I love the concept of being "in the zone". I think it takes a certain level of emotional maturity or at least basic control of your emotions to achieve it. I like to think of it as "vibing" with a girl.

Dictionary Definition:
vibe - a distinctive emotional aura experienced instinctively;

Musicians have this going on too. When you're on stage and playing your song you kind of feel what's going on with the other members of your band. You stay in time and rhythm with them plus you react to the feedback from the crowd. It's a weird cathartic experience. It's surreal.

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I have no doubt that my IQ hampers social interactions. I over-think things way too much and really wish there was a way to just put a damper on everything. I wouldn't take 20 IQ points away because then I probably wouldn't be as proficient at my job as I am, but I really think it would help on other fronts. I'm working with a ~135 if anybody is curious (go so the IQ thread and posted bell curve).

When I was younger I was way more responsive to alcohol. It would really do all the good things: horny, social, fearless, feisty, etc. These days it really doesn't have much of an effect accept mild good effects early on but bad effects later. I really haven't been able to figure it out except that it some kind of complex or metal block, as alcohol only amplifies emotional state.

Supposedly CBT (cognitive behavior therapy) is supposed to help somebody live "in the now" which really is the gist of it. It seems like just more over-thinking but I'm going to give it a try. I'm not talking a psychiatrist, I just downloaded CBT for Dummies (which got great reviews). People may also know from other posts I'm a big proponent of masturbation reduction, though I suck at going long periods myself. I also need to start hitting the gym again since I'm down to the low 170s from the low 190s and ready to bulk. If doing heavy squats and not jerking it for a week don't make me go caveman, I don't know what will [Image: smile.gif].

I have one friend who is also an engineer but the dude is an absolute social maven. He has the absolute magnetism that I just simply don't understand. But to sum it up its "don't give a fuck" which I think is pretty close to "live in the now". And yes, he kills it in DC. He's so persuasive its sickening. His influence is ridiculous. I'll tell him I don't wanna do x and y, and then an hour later I'm doing it.


Is there anything out there that makes anybody go "caveman" and not give a fuck? Any strategies that have been effective for anyone? Its one of those things you can't fake, you have to really not give a fuck. What is it something like 90% of communication is non-verbal.
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Book smart can help a lot when dealing with girls because this means you can learn fast languages,pick up theory,literature and have a grasp of science and statistics which definitely helps with girls.However book smart always means that society always puts extraordinary pressure to achieve things and these are not to bang women.I mean if a book smart learns languages to bang women the society will at some point punish him harsh for that while it would not punish the non book smart who tries to learn languages.Being book smart and exploiting it to get pussy means spending valuable human resources from societal and economical point of view.
Street smart guys also get women easily if they apply their knowledge of the street on hunting girls,creating social circles and intimidating the other guys to approach.A street smart person will likely judge you correctly and decide in one second how he is going to dsiarm you and steal the woman from you.
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IMO Social smart is a blend or hybrid of both street or school smarts. You are basically manipulating people to do or get what you want (status, power, sex, etc) this can be done with pure street smarts but you need a bit of professionalism that comes with book smarts to be able to spot and leverage opportunities a lot better. My homie is street smarts 100% but he is a mess of hangovers and missed appointments. He can manipulate people to get what he wants but he fucks himself over quite a bit when he folly's opportunities for status, power, or girls.

I try to blend both. I need to get back to being better at my social end of things and the street end which is how I was raised. But not with heightened book smarts I can basically create a set of different persona (s) of myself to project to others to get what I want.
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Quote: (06-19-2012 03:12 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

I have one friend who is also an engineer but the dude is an absolute social maven. He has the absolute magnetism that I just simply don't understand. But to sum it up its "don't give a fuck" which I think is pretty close to "live in the now". And yes, he kills it in DC. He's so persuasive its sickening. His influence is ridiculous. I'll tell him I don't wanna do x and y, and then an hour later I'm doing it.

<--Engineer here ...REPRESENT!! I've also been told by women that I'm very persuasive. It's funny though.
I tend to carry my work mentality into my everyday life. I see things as a complex system. A, B and C have
to be true in order for X to happen. It's like programming. Social Engineering it's called.
I usually tend to get my way.

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There is no such thing is smart.

Smart = knowing and getting everything you want.
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