[K-man]

All right fellas, I busted out a few Russian and Ukrainian girl pics from my old archive.
I have not banged all of the girls below, perhaps about half, and the other half I tried to (unsuccessfully). But they represent the type of girl that is my target market, and these have not been hard to get for me.

Again, I have not been to Ukraine or Russia. I bang them when they are on vacation in Bulgaria and Turkey, and on work travel in the USA. If you travel to the source, I hope you can get better than this to justify the expense and time involved.

[LifeBeginsAt40]

(04-23-2012 01:47 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

1. The movies are a bad, and boring, date. 2 hours of sitting and not talking, or even looking, at each other. Do this after you have fucked a girl, not before.

In the FSU they are even worse. Usually consists of either a western film with Russian speech replacing the English speech or the movie being shown in English and the Russian speakers using headphone to listen to a translation. Went to a movie once in Russia and wouldn't want to go to another. Besides after 6 1/2 years of marriage to a lazy cowski who spent most of her time watching the same 20 or so Russian movies over and over again, if I never see another movie with Russian speech or subtitles in it again, I will be happy.

[Spartan]

(04-23-2012 01:47 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I agree with LifeAt40 and Duke. Unless Roosh/Deb/Greek Kamaki or someone else with experience in this area suggested you game this way, I think you should read Bang again. From my understanding of game in Western countries, and even here in Thailand, your entire strategy was way off of the mark.

1. The movies are a bad, and boring, date. 2 hours of sitting and not talking, or even looking, at each other. Do this after you have fucked a girl, not before.

2. A walk and holding her hand is super beta and needy.

3. Text messages telling her you had a good time, texting her back to back days is way needy.

4. Cooking her dinner at your place and THEN taking her out of the house is a bad move. You already have her in your apartment for dinner, don't take her somewhere like the movies. Keep her in your domain.

5. A goodnight kiss with no tongue is more fit for your mother than for a girl you are trying to fuck.

Not trying to be rude, just want to try and help. But like I said, I don't know about gaming specifically in this region, so maybe someone needs to set me straight on how things are done here?

Roosh recommends the arm in arm move when walking with her in his book, it works well here.

I tried to kiss her after dinner but before we left for the theatre..I did the Roosh recommended move of moving in slightly to test it out..but she pulled back. I thought she wasn't ready at the time.

It wasn't a movie..let me correct that. It was a live play in the drama theatre. it was short (45 min).
My Russian teacher recommended I take a girl to see a play. It worked..she was in a much better mood after the comedy and we had a good source of conversation


The texts and end of date kiss are irrelevant...by then it was already quite clear it was not working out. But...still worth a try with nothing to lose.

[iknowexactly]

(04-21-2012 05:42 PM)Eliogabalus Wrote:  

(04-21-2012 11:22 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

Just talking to the girl in the pink dress on VK. Those are the kind of girls we should be targeting. Oh, and she doesn't speak a word of English. Google Translate all the way.

They look average level at best.

Pink dress is a splendid girl--Small, balanced features, nice looking skin, small waist, long legs....and a fairly overall sense of being fairly bright and good-natured.

Could you post a pic of someone you banged-- or anyone--that you consider better?

It sounds like someone sort of fronting.

[Spartan]

   

   


Help me out a little here.
The situation:

Cute girl, tried to escalate on first date but she was super wary( even brushing against her hand while at cafe caused her to recoil).

I thought nothing would come of her...but we talked online and she explained she needs to be "sure of a guy"

2nd date- brief walk. she put her hand on my as I held umbrella. invited her up for tea as it started to rain..no go

3rd-Today I did the arm-in-arm maneuver (Thanks Roosh). We walked and she seemed a lot more comfortable with me. I set a time limit on the date and DHVed by saying I had to go teach English- which was true.

4th-??????
when, what, where?


Things are going well with her...and she's got such a tight body.

[raskol]

I agree with Elio (and I'm surprised at the hostility in this thread just because he doesn't find the women in these pics attractive), but from everything I've heard about the Ukraine, these women are not particularly attractive. Sure, they have nice bodies, but they're faces are off (e.g. noses are too sharp and eyes are beady).

Women who are receptive become more attractive to men (I suspect that's what is at play here), but objectively speaking, their faces are nothing to write home about. Physically, you see more attractive ones in major U.S. cities.

[LifeBeginsAt40]

(04-26-2012 11:09 PM)raskol Wrote:  

I agree with Elio (and I'm surprised at the hostility in this thread just because he doesn't find the women in these pics attractive)

The hostility towards him is his almost nazi like infatuation with the perfect aryan woman and how any woman who doesnt conform to his master-race standards is somehow inferior

[WanderingSoul]

(04-26-2012 03:46 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

Help me out a little here.
The situation:

Cute girl, tried to escalate on first date but she was super wary( even brushing against her hand while at cafe caused her to recoil).

I thought nothing would come of her...but we talked online and she explained she needs to be "sure of a guy"

2nd date- brief walk. she put her hand on my as I held umbrella. invited her up for tea as it started to rain..no go

3rd-Today I did the arm-in-arm maneuver (Thanks Roosh). We walked and she seemed a lot more comfortable with me. I set a time limit on the date and DHVed by saying I had to go teach English- which was true.

4th-??????
when, what, where?


Things are going well with her...and she's got such a tight body.

Does she drink? There is a lack of alcohol in your dates. I think Roosh said something along the lines of if a girl drinks 2 drinks, your chances of getting laid increase 50%. Or something like that.

But honestly, you went on three dates and still have not kissed her? I think you should move on to the next one.

[Spartan]

(04-27-2012 07:59 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 03:46 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

Help me out a little here.
The situation:

Cute girl, tried to escalate on first date but she was super wary( even brushing against her hand while at cafe caused her to recoil).

I thought nothing would come of her...but we talked online and she explained she needs to be "sure of a guy"

2nd date- brief walk. she put her hand on my as I held umbrella. invited her up for tea as it started to rain..no go

3rd-Today I did the arm-in-arm maneuver (Thanks Roosh). We walked and she seemed a lot more comfortable with me. I set a time limit on the date and DHVed by saying I had to go teach English- which was true.

4th-??????
when, what, where?


Things are going well with her...and she's got such a tight body.

Does she drink? There is a lack of alcohol in your dates. I think Roosh said something along the lines of if a girl drinks 2 drinks, your chances of getting laid increase 50%. Or something like that.

But honestly, you went on three dates and still have not kissed her? I think you should move on to the next one.

Meh...I sent her a text inviting her for dinner.

I just got a text back from a different phone number saying to meet at 20:00. I'm not sure this is the same girl..or another girl I met with a while back. It'll be a surprise date.

Regardless, when a girl agrees to meet that late( yes 8 PM is considered "late" here) it means she's DTF...or at the very least a kiss under moonlight by the river. I'm going to escalate hard and see where it takes me.

---
Edit- girl did reply back, just now..so I have 2 dates back to back. Perfect.
1 hour to cook dinner. 2 hours to escalate hard with girl 1. ....if not, go on to second date at 8 pm. An efficient schedule!


Re: Alcohol
Girl 1(photos above) - seems like a non-drinker but will offer her wine
Girl 2(see photo below)- lists in her profile-"don't drink at all"

   
   

[Spartan]

Ate dinner with girl 1- kissed, but not long, walked her to the bus stop.
She's being quite cautious, saying she had to be home by 9 and took a long time to warm up to being kissed. She seemed more nervous than me during the date, a sign of progress on my part.
... I expect a longer makeout tomorrow, maybe even a bang if I can convince her to drink )

Girl 2- Went for a walk, didn't escalate. I was too tired from cooking and hanging out with girl 1...plus I got lazy knowing that I've got 1 girl I will bang quite soon. Not to mention, this girl keeps meeting with a guy while waiting for our dates. Who is he? An orbiter, a boyfriend? Pimp?


I guess this is a problem...getting complacent. Well, after a month of effort without rewards..I'm looking forward to relaxing a bit.

[The Fantasist]

(04-27-2012 05:25 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

Ate dinner with girl 1- kissed, but not long, walked her to the bus stop.
She's being quite cautious, saying she had to be home by 9 and took a long time to warm up to being kissed. She seemed more nervous than me during the date, a sign of progress on my part.
... I expect a longer makeout tomorrow, maybe even a bang if I can convince her to drink )

Girl 2- Went for a walk, didn't escalate. I was too tired from cooking and hanging out with girl 1...plus I got lazy knowing that I've got 1 girl I will bang quite soon. Not to mention, this girl keeps meeting with a guy while waiting for our dates. Who is he? An orbiter, a boyfriend? Pimp?


I guess this is a problem...getting complacent. Well, after a month of effort without rewards..I'm looking forward to relaxing a bit.

That's great news Spartan,seems things are starting to progress for you.

I think it's common to have problems or slow periods during the first part of your stay in a country but then you make progress with one girl and you suddenly find yourself on a roll with others. It should all be a breeze from here.

[BCZalgyris]

(04-27-2012 08:32 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 07:59 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 03:46 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

Help me out a little here.
The situation:

Cute girl, tried to escalate on first date but she was super wary( even brushing against her hand while at cafe caused her to recoil).

I thought nothing would come of her...but we talked online and she explained she needs to be "sure of a guy"

2nd date- brief walk. she put her hand on my as I held umbrella. invited her up for tea as it started to rain..no go

3rd-Today I did the arm-in-arm maneuver (Thanks Roosh). We walked and she seemed a lot more comfortable with me. I set a time limit on the date and DHVed by saying I had to go teach English- which was true.

4th-??????
when, what, where?


Things are going well with her...and she's got such a tight body.

Does she drink? There is a lack of alcohol in your dates. I think Roosh said something along the lines of if a girl drinks 2 drinks, your chances of getting laid increase 50%. Or something like that.

But honestly, you went on three dates and still have not kissed her? I think you should move on to the next one.

Meh...I sent her a text inviting her for dinner.

I just got a text back from a different phone number saying to meet at 20:00. I'm not sure this is the same girl..or another girl I met with a while back. It'll be a surprise date.

Regardless, when a girl agrees to meet that late( yes 8 PM is considered "late" here) it means she's DTF...or at the very least a kiss under moonlight by the river. I'm going to escalate hard and see where it takes me.

---
Edit- girl did reply back, just now..so I have 2 dates back to back. Perfect.
1 hour to cook dinner. 2 hours to escalate hard with girl 1. ....if not, go on to second date at 8 pm. An efficient schedule!


Re: Alcohol
Girl 1(photos above) - seems like a non-drinker but will offer her wine
Girl 2(see photo below)- lists in her profile-"don't drink at all"

Wow, Spartan you are a lucky dude! This redhead would be considered a 9 in the shit-hole where I live now (Washington, DC).

[Hooligan Harry]

Spartan, dude, jesus.

Have you just tried having fun with these girls instead of interviewing every single one of them? Have you tried to lighten up a little and have some fun yourself?

- Change venues and locations often
- Take her to see live music
- Take her to a club
- Take her to a cocktail bar. Bet your ass she will drink.

Fuck, take them bowling. Get them out, get them around other people, let them have fun and drop their guard a little. If they have fun they will want to see you again. Stop planning every single interaction to the nth degree and just go with the flow a little bro. This stuff is meant to be fun, not hard work for either of you.

Taking them for tea? What are you, their mother?

Do dinner earlier, then take them out later. Make your intentions clear, escalate more and more aggressively as the night goes on. If you dont get the make out at the venue, then you try to isolate and really go for the kill. If you do get the makeout, try to get her back to yours anyway where you go for the bang. But she must know that you want to smash her ass to pieces.

You are creating no sexual tension with these women because there is no emotional rollercoaster in romantic dinners followed by tea and crumpets.

Also, get this sponsorship thing out of your head please. Not every single girl is a gold digger or looking for a sponsor and your paranoia is absurd. You are blaming them for your own failed approach to this all when things dont work out the way you expect them too. Yes, sponsoring is typical there, but nothing you have done suggests its even worth pursuing you as a sponsor!

The fact that they are agreeing to meet you again and again means you have more than enough going for you. You probably dont realise that they think you are decent looking or are a catch of some sort. Start showing a little more self confidence for fucks sake.

The biggest problem here though is that you are clearly appealing to their rational sense instead of their emotional sense. Women are women dude, no matter where you go. And looking for a wife or not, you are a man. As a woman, she wants even her future husband to see her as sex on legs. Let them pursue the relationship with you, not the other way around. Aim to fuck every single one of them and see which one does the best job of trying to keep you after you have hit it a few times.

[raskol]

(04-27-2012 04:41 AM)LifeBeginsAt40 Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 11:09 PM)raskol Wrote:  

I agree with Elio (and I'm surprised at the hostility in this thread just because he doesn't find the women in these pics attractive)

The hostility towards him is his almost nazi like infatuation with the perfect aryan woman and how any woman who doesnt conform to his master-race standards is somehow inferior

Fair enough. I don't keep tab of his previous posts. As far as attractive women go, I think this is what he may have in mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2_azgx8UGc

I've never been to the Ukraine/Russia, but given all that I've heard about the women in these countries, the girl in this video is what I envision. Notice how aesthetically pleasing her face looks. Entrancing eyes, beautiful smile, well-proportioned nose, and just a gorgeous woman.

[Spartan]

(04-27-2012 08:12 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 08:32 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 07:59 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 03:46 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

Help me out a little here.
The situation:

Cute girl, tried to escalate on first date but she was super wary( even brushing against her hand while at cafe caused her to recoil).

I thought nothing would come of her...but we talked online and she explained she needs to be "sure of a guy"

2nd date- brief walk. she put her hand on my as I held umbrella. invited her up for tea as it started to rain..no go

3rd-Today I did the arm-in-arm maneuver (Thanks Roosh). We walked and she seemed a lot more comfortable with me. I set a time limit on the date and DHVed by saying I had to go teach English- which was true.

4th-??????
when, what, where?


Things are going well with her...and she's got such a tight body.

Does she drink? There is a lack of alcohol in your dates. I think Roosh said something along the lines of if a girl drinks 2 drinks, your chances of getting laid increase 50%. Or something like that.

But honestly, you went on three dates and still have not kissed her? I think you should move on to the next one.

Meh...I sent her a text inviting her for dinner.

I just got a text back from a different phone number saying to meet at 20:00. I'm not sure this is the same girl..or another girl I met with a while back. It'll be a surprise date.

Regardless, when a girl agrees to meet that late( yes 8 PM is considered "late" here) it means she's DTF...or at the very least a kiss under moonlight by the river. I'm going to escalate hard and see where it takes me.

---
Edit- girl did reply back, just now..so I have 2 dates back to back. Perfect.
1 hour to cook dinner. 2 hours to escalate hard with girl 1. ....if not, go on to second date at 8 pm. An efficient schedule!


Re: Alcohol
Girl 1(photos above) - seems like a non-drinker but will offer her wine
Girl 2(see photo below)- lists in her profile-"don't drink at all"

Wow, Spartan you are a lucky dude! This redhead would be considered a 9 in the shit-hole where I live now (Washington, DC).

She's not bad...but her nose is kinda big..(I already posted pics of this same girl but from a different angle-see my above posts)

DC must be a real shithole... I've had more attractive girls than her interested in me back in the States.
In fact, I don't think I'm getting results much different than I would in the USA if I had spent as much time dedicated solely to game...none of these girls are impressed by me being a foreigner. Their personalities however, are much better than US girls. I can actually stand being around them


======================================================================


Girl I had dinner with yesterday sent me a message on VK this morning:

Hello!! who are we now for each other???

- I messaged back "You are my beloved"


Haha, no..I didn't message that. But seriously, how do I respond? I think I'll just ignore it and meet again today.


Re: advice to go somewhere fun and exciting. OK, I'll take her bowling.
She's not likely to drink at a club...she didn't even touch her wine last night.

[WanderingSoul]

Harry is 100% correct IMO. And how do you keep ending up with girls who do not drink? In my opening message to Thai girls I always make a joke about them taking me out for drinks. It is playful and also I find out pretty quickly if they are down to go out for drinks and fun. I don't fuck with girls who don't drink, they will probably be boring and take longer to fuck.

As far as the "Who are we now for each other?" I would respond by saying "I'm not sure, I'll let you know after you stay the night tonight."

Are you escalating and getting sexual with these girls at all? I let them know before we even meet that I am not here to be their buddy, and that I'm pressing to get them naked. Always throw some funny sexual inuindo out there. This allows you to see if they have a sense of humor, if they are playful, and most importantly, if they have a sexual personality.

I would NEVER take a girl for tea and a walk and hold her hand. Yes, Roosh says to walk arm in arm, but I doubt he advocates taking a girl out for tea and then holding her hand in the park. Not to be an asshole, but 12 year olds get more sexual than this bro.

Take Harry's advice, it is spot on.

Keep us updated man, this can be a great thread for other guys new to game to read about your growth.

[Spartan]

(04-28-2012 05:04 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Harry is 100% correct IMO. And how do you keep ending up with girls who do not drink? In my opening message to Thai girls I always make a joke about them taking me out for drinks. It is playful and also I find out pretty quickly if they are down to go out for drinks and fun. I don't fuck with girls who don't drink, they will probably be boring and take longer to fuck.

As far as the "Who are we now for each other?" I would respond by saying "I'm not sure, I'll let you know after you stay the night tonight."

Are you escalating and getting sexual with these girls at all? I let them know before we even meet that I am not here to be their buddy, and that I'm pressing to get them naked. Always throw some funny sexual inuindo out there. This allows you to see if they have a sense of humor, if they are playful, and most importantly, if they have a sexual personality.

I would NEVER take a girl for tea and a walk and hold her hand. Yes, Roosh says to walk arm in arm, but I doubt he advocates taking a girl out for tea and then holding her hand in the park. Not to be an asshole, but 12 year olds get more sexual than this bro.

Take Harry's advice, it is spot on.

Keep us updated man, this can be a great thread for other guys new to game to read about your growth.

No.
I respect your opinion, but if I send this girl that kind of vibe she will bail.

I agree that I should do more fun activities which is why I am going bowling today and going for a "chinese balloon/lantern" float tomorrow night by the river.
Also, I agree that I should escalate and tease more..I will definitely do a lot more touching.

I don't hang out with girls who drink because I don't drink a lot myself.
I'm a chill, cultured dude..not a high energy party type.

Think for example of most of the doctors you know.. and you'll see what kind of personality I've got.


I 100% agree that I need to work on game, but I'm keeping it congruent with my personality.

[worldwidetraveler]

(04-28-2012 04:18 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

Hello!! who are we now for each other???

Spartan, you are doing a lot better since your first post. Good job on that!

With that said, I quoted something you need to keep in mind. It seems these women don't know your true attentions which may be your problem.

You don't need to hide your manly attentions.

[Hooligan Harry]

Who gives a shit if she bails? There are tons more out there!

Your mindset is wrong and you are stubborn. You also seem to have this ingrained fear of breaking out of your comfort zone, and its why you continue to feel frustrated with your lack of success. You are the problem here, no one else, and despite numerous members trying to help you flat out ignore most advice they take the time to give.

I fear even if you do come right, you are probably going to get taken by a passport hunter who will use your desperation as a meal ticket with the way you are going.

Best of luck to you.

[worldwidetraveler]

(04-28-2012 05:19 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

No.
I respect your opinion, but if I send this girl that kind of vibe she will bail.

I agree that I should do more fun activities which is why I am going bowling today and going for a "chinese balloon/lantern" float tomorrow night by the river.
Also, I agree that I should escalate and tease more..I will definitely do a lot more touching.

I don't hang out with girls who drink because I don't drink a lot myself.
I'm a chill, cultured dude..not a high energy party type.

Think for example of most of the doctors you know.. and you'll see what kind of personality I've got.


I 100% agree that I need to work on game, but I'm keeping it congruent with my personality.

Spartan, your missing the point again.

If you want quality women you need experience. HH gave you the best advice.

The better with women you get the better the end result (meaning wife, girlfriend or you may never want something long term).

You are doing a lot better and you are starting to take advice which is excellent.

You will just spin your wheels if you don't accept the advice given. I think you are realizing that already but for some reason still fight it.

[WanderingSoul]

Having girls bail isn't a bad thing bro. I make comments like that to girl before and during our meetup to qualify them. To qualify if they are fun and sexual. If the girl is into you she wont bail, she will like it. Think of it as a counter measure to time wasters. If she bails it just means she was too much of a prude and would have taken way too much work to get into bed. If you have 2-4 other girls lined up for dates, or that you are banging, having a girl bail is no big deal.

If you run the girls off who are not going to be down then you will end up getting laid more often in a shorter period of time. No more 3rd, 4th and 5th dates without getting some action.

[Spartan]

I reached a sticking point- she needs an answer to her question.
She needs to hear me commit to her somehow.

Good makeout today..but I wasn't all that into it because I knew it wouldn't go anywhere.
Damn women and their "take it slow" approach.

I invited her into my apartment, but not surprisingly it was not accepted.


How about I answer her on VK with:
Her: Who are we now for each other?
Me: For me, you're the only girl in XXXX with whom I enjoy meeting with.

Greek mentioned needing to offer commitment and say these things in some of his posts...


Edit- my statement was too complicated...gotta be simpler and more direct here according to my FSU buddy-
Sent her
I like you very much, and I want to meet with you again we will learn even more about each other

[The Fantasist]

(04-28-2012 11:31 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

I reached a sticking point- she needs an answer to her question.
She needs to hear me commit to her somehow.

How about I answer her on VK with:
Her: Who are we now for each other?
Me: For me, you're the only girl in XXXX with whom I enjoy meeting with.

Just answer with "I don't know yet". Don't tell a woman where your head is at,keep them guessing. When you next meet her take her for a drink,sit next to her and escalate quickly. If she doesn't respond ask her what the problem is and if she says she needs more time then end the date soon after and don't contact her. She will either leave it,in which case no problem as there are other women or she will know she risks losing you and ask to meet up. If she does that she's DTF.

Just don't think too hard,enjoy being in a foreign country surrounded by hot women and revel in the adventure and fun of meeting strangers and trying to bang them.

[Spartan]

(04-28-2012 12:17 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 11:31 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

I reached a sticking point- she needs an answer to her question.
She needs to hear me commit to her somehow.

How about I answer her on VK with:
Her: Who are we now for each other?
Me: For me, you're the only girl in XXXX with whom I enjoy meeting with.

Just answer with "I don't know yet". Don't tell a woman where your head is at,keep them guessing. When you next meet her take her for a drink,sit next to her and escalate quickly. If she doesn't respond ask her what the problem is and if she says she needs more time then end the date soon after and don't contact her. She will either leave it,in which case no problem as there are other women or she will know she risks losing you and ask to meet up. If she does that she's DTF.

Just don't think too hard,enjoy being in a foreign country surrounded by hot women and revel in the adventure and fun of meeting strangers and trying to bang them.

yeah, i'll do just that except I won't even bother with the drink part.
I'll invite her straight to my place for cake that I will bake (she likes sweets and I enjoy baking)
I'll escalate fast...if she's not up for it I'll ask her whats wrong. If she says "more time" I'll move on.

[Samseau]

Spartan is a beta noob. Dude can't game worth a shit.

EVERYONE told him that he would be wasting his time if he went to FSU without learning how to game properly in the States, in this thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-9930.html#



Now, he's in the FSU, and he can't even get a fucking kiss from most of these broads!

You're wasting everyone's time here; if I were Roosh I'd have banned you a long time ago.


You gonna get married? What a fool!