[Veloce]

I just got back from a trip to SF a couple weeks ago.

The women are dogs. Not one attractive white girl the entire week. Some cute asians and latinas and that's it.

I went out almost every night, and I noticed plenty.

At one sushi restaurant, I sat at the bar next to a couple on a date. The guy was pretty decent looking, and he held himself confidently and spoke fluent Japanese to the sushi chef. He was dressed like a G and through listening in on his conversation I could tell he was well travelled, well cultured, and was pretty well off financially.

His date was uglier than any girl I've ever fucked. She held her broad shoulders high and had zero femininity about her. The guy would tell a funny story and she'd start cackling and starting PUNCHING THE GUY IN THE SHOULDER, like a drunken frat boy. He made his best effort to stay interested in the date, and the worst part is it didn't seem like a first date. They had an air of familiarity as if they'd been out before. At first I thought it's this guy's own stupid fault, but after a week in the city I just felt bad and wanted to go up to him and tell him of greener pastures in Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, and San Diego.

After a pretty fancy meal I went to in the Financial District, I came outside to find another baller G opening a limo door for his date who was some completely frumpy, fat, busted ass white chick. I don't see these things too often in L.A., and while I love SF as a city, there's no fucking way I could live there.

That article should mention, not only are there more sugar daddies in SF, but they are catering to the shittiest women.

[Praetor]

Wow this is really telling, SF'ers always pretend to be so cultured and ahead of all the folks down in Socal and that's clearly not the case. As much as I love tech, I couldn't stand to live their either amongst the jezebels and the fact that the ratio's are probably terrible (due to a high LGBT community). LA is clearly where it's at

Thanks thedude3737, you just saved me a lot of anguish.

[Basil Ransom]

(05-19-2012 11:28 PM)Praetor Wrote:  

Wow this is really telling, SF'ers always pretend to be so cultured and ahead of all the folks down in Socal and that's clearly not the case.

SF has about as much high culture as LA, despite having a fraction of the population. I'm a big fan of refinement and class. That said, I can't stand the passive-aggressiveness, political correctness, androgyny and puritanism of people from SF. They remind me of Canadians.

There's a blog that diagnoses everything wrong with San Francisco's women, awesome funny stuff:

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The semi-attractive, upper class women of America, nowhere better represented than San Francisco, California, heart the hell out of this sh*t. They only go for unavailable men! Men who ADORE them but are way too young/gay/moving to Alaska/hot but dumb/vampiric to sustain a living relationship. It's hilarious! A hot mess! Comical disaster!FN3

But it's even larger than this. Bullsh*t self-effacement about one's seduction skills has become the default M.O. of career women everywhere. SF women are wildly enthusiastic about their horrible fashion sense, inability to flirt, lack of maternal/sensual instinct, and any other epigamic traits that typically draw people together romantically. Jezebel, in its amusing take-down of the 30 Rock's "skinny glutton" leitmotif, describes the message as such: "I may look glamorous, but I have the mind and soul of a fat person! And this is hilarious!'"

Hilarious indeed, like religion or a snooty vodka preference or the verse Morgan Freeman reads at the end of Invictus or any other delusion to cope with certain terrifying prospects of existence, such as thunderstorms, mortality, being judged or getting dumped. LOL. "You know why that crappy thing happened? Because of God. I mean social convention! I mean he lived in Boulder, it totally couldn't work! One thing is clear: in no way was it because I didn't measure up in some intrinsic way! No way! I run triathlons! My career is demanding! Actually, you know what the reason was? I so can't wear high heels! Isn't that absurd? The reason I'm single: my inability to walk seductively in misogynist foot wear!"

It's madness. It's fantasy. It's manufacturing whole lives out of pixie dust and solipsism. But SF women don't care. They don't give a sh*t. They've seen that video about the honey badger. And nothing will ever be the same.

Haha, this commenter sounds like he's been drinking the Roosh-ade:

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I love asking single girls here what they're looking for. It's just a setup though, because I then ask what they offer. That's usually followed by a deer in the headlights look - girls here just can't fathom that they need to offer something as well. Well, they do. The rest of the world is easily within reach.

Don't bother trying to solve the problem of "why there are no girls in san francisco." Instead, accept it and move on to other (and better) solutions. You have options; exercise them.

I'm going to steal that setup, of "what are you looking for... what do you offer?"

Another post:

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The statement is final and unwavering and the statement is this: SF women are 6s (or 7s) who think they are 9s. The fact of this is experienced so routinely and unavoidably that expression of it is no longer really controversial. It's barely interesting. It's like saying Dane Cook is a horrible comedian or people with eye-patches creep you out. It's not nice and it's kind of juvenile but it's also the structure of reality as objectively perceived. It's an assumption among friends, an ice-breaker among strangers, a talking point for Gavin Newsom in a pinch. Colleagues, people at parties, a random Brazilian girl outside of Mauna Loa. Everyone agrees. 6s who think they're 9s, yep, and don't you love red wine! Sean Hannity makes me sad!*

Interesting insight Samseau. Plus, I can imagine a lot of the rich geeks considering themselves above paying for sex and going without.

[Praetor]

Wow a whole blog! Reminds me of the format of Stuff White People Like, this will be a great read

[Urban Renaissance Man]

Are we talking about the Same San Francisco?? Granted, they aren't Earl Scheibed out with the make up, but I see very attractive white women on a consistent basis in Frisco. Additionally, they are walking everywhere, or riding bikes. The prettiest peaches and cream legs you ever want to see. There are numerous festivals happening on a weekly basis, which brings them out as well. Also, and most importantly, the bi-sexual girl rate is off the scale! Speaking of freaks, There's so many women here that are into bondage and S/M that they have an entire HUGE festival dedicated to the scene. (The Folsom Street Fair) The fun factor with these hoes is off the scale!
I'll keep it real, I have only dated 5 Bay area girls since I've been here, but they were all attractive, with 1 being easily an 8. Keep in mind I'm a 6 at absolute best. The Hot Asian population goes without saying, very attractive! The only groups I've found lacking are blacks and Latinas, which is strange since being from Southern California, I'm used to latinas pretty much winning the day as far as hotness ratios. Again, I'm speaking purely of Frisco, not the surrounding Bay area cities. I will admit Frisco has nothingo n LA, but not to many places in the world does. However, the S.F. bashing concerning white women simpy isn't deserved. Please do yourself a favor and go to the Marina district on a Saturday! Some of those girls are "Master Race" hot! On top of all of that, they have their money right for the most part!

[Private Man]

SF and Palo Alto nerds have a polluted gene pool. Not only are those nerds beta wussy boys, their genes spread Aspie. Check out the rise in autism in that part of CA. Gold-diggers combined with a shitty gene pool results in DNA chaos.

[WestCoast]

SF is definitely tough for your "average" man. In SF 99% of the hot girls are part of another 1% hot guy's harem. You have to work EXTREMELY hard to find the proper fish bowl as it changes almost annually. On that note I think there is too much negativity here. Think about it like this would you rather learn game in one of the worst environments in the world or one of the best environments in the world? The answer should be easy, get good in the toughest environment and then the easy environments will be... easy.

[OGNorCal707]

It's amazing how I get such conflicting reports from SF, a lot of guys hate on it and make it sound like one of the hardest places in the world to pull a 7 caliber chick, but I got a couple friends who live down there, who make it sound like a piece of cake and extremely easy to get laid.

These same friends consistently pull 6-7s off okcupid bi-weekly and typically fuck chicks on the first date with minimum effort, I've seen a couple pics of there lays and they were legit. This makes me wonder if the guys complaining just aren't trying hard enough, don't run internet game, or have insanely high standards?

One thing that can be incredibly important in SF is finding the right niche, the particular friends are artist/musician types who have the early twenty hipster/hippyish type chicks on lock. However, these same guys would probably stand zero chance picking up hotter 8+ wealthier women in say the Marina or North Beach.

[speakeasy]

I've never kicked it in the Marina so I can't speak of the talent there, but most of SF is pretty mediocre. A ton of Chinese girls(many FOB looking), who are about as low on the ladder as Indian women to me. A lot of short-haired, hipsterish white women with tattoos and shit. And a lot of fat and poor looking Mexican women in the Mission district(like you have in SoCal). I was up there a few months ago for several days and didn't see a single woman that was over a 6.

The beauty of San Francisco itself is the main draw. Go for the scenery, not the women.

[WestCoast]

(06-09-2012 02:00 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

It's amazing how I get such conflicting reports from SF, a lot of guys hate on it and make it sound like one of the hardest places in the world to pull a 7 caliber chick, but I got a couple friends who live down there, who make it sound like a piece of cake and extremely easy to get laid.

These same friends consistently pull 6-7s off okcupid bi-weekly and typically fuck chicks on the first date with minimum effort, I've seen a couple pics of there lays and they were legit. This makes me wonder if the guys complaining just aren't trying hard enough, don't run internet game, or have insanely high standards?

One thing that can be incredibly important in SF is finding the right niche, the particular friends are artist/musician types who have the early twenty hipster/hippyish type chicks on lock. However, these same guys would probably stand zero chance picking up hotter 8+ wealthier women in say the Marina or North Beach.

This is pretty much on point, if you don't find the niche you end up being stupid and chasing outside your zone, ends poorly. Guess i should have emphasized the "extremely hard to find your fish bowl" if you don't know exactly who you are just yet.

[MikeCF]

(06-09-2012 02:00 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

It's amazing how I get such conflicting reports from SF, a lot of guys hate on it and make it sound like one of the hardest places in the world to pull a 7 caliber chick, but I got a couple friends who live down there, who make it sound like a piece of cake and extremely easy to get laid.

These same friends consistently pull 6-7s off okcupid bi-weekly and typically fuck chicks on the first date with minimum effort, I've seen a couple pics of there lays and they were legit. This makes me wonder if the guys complaining just aren't trying hard enough, don't run internet game, or have insanely high standards?

Yep. The SF hate is hilarious.

One day I was going to take pics of hot chicks to post on this site.

Then I got bored, as there were so many. I realized that any guy hating on SF just had no game, was really ugly or socially awkward, or something.

People say, "American women in SF are fat and ugly." OK.

What's also funny: SF is one of the #1 destination in the U.S. for foreign tourists.

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As a result, record numbers of international tourists are coming to the Bay Area. Despite it great distance from Europe, San Francisco International Airport was the sixth-most-popular arrival point in the United States during the first nine months of 2007. Just over 1 million foreign visitors flew into San Francisco, up 9 percent from the comparable period in 2006, close to the 10 percent increase registered for the United States as a whole, according to the Commerce Department's Office of Travel and Tourism Industries.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...GU8QP6.DTL

But none of those are hot, foreign women that "red pill" "alpha males" seek out, I guess.

[Roosh]

American women are relatively new to unrestrained hypergamy, so all it takes for them to get excited is a cash display. In ukraine that's not enough...you need to actively SPEND money for girls to take notice (i. e. making it rain). They are smarter in requiring the man to spend some of that stack on her before putting out. Also, since American girls make their own money, I get the impression that they just want to BE with a guy who has cash, not necessarily to get that cash.

[soup]

(06-10-2012 05:24 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

American women are relatively new to unrestrained hypergamy, so all it takes for them to get excited is a cash display. In ukraine that's not enough...you need to actively SPEND money for girls to take notice (i. e. making it rain). They are smarter in requiring the man to spend some of that stack on her before putting out. Also, since American girls make their own money, I get the impression that they just want to BE with a guy who has cash, not necessarily to get that cash.

I've always noticed that the Russian girls who live in NYC put-up major attitude. They are worse than most American girls I've met. Heartland girls are more "pure" in a way, because, aside from TV, a lot of them haven't been exposed to the urban, cut-throat lifestyle.

Russian girls (and most outer-borough NYC girls) tend to have serious attitude problems. The Russian girls I've met put up very big and obvious shit-tests.

[WestCoast]

(06-09-2012 11:50 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(06-09-2012 02:00 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

It's amazing how I get such conflicting reports from SF, a lot of guys hate on it and make it sound like one of the hardest places in the world to pull a 7 caliber chick, but I got a couple friends who live down there, who make it sound like a piece of cake and extremely easy to get laid.

These same friends consistently pull 6-7s off okcupid bi-weekly and typically fuck chicks on the first date with minimum effort, I've seen a couple pics of there lays and they were legit. This makes me wonder if the guys complaining just aren't trying hard enough, don't run internet game, or have insanely high standards?

Yep. The SF hate is hilarious.

One day I was going to take pics of hot chicks to post on this site.

Then I got bored, as there were so many. I realized that any guy hating on SF just had no game, was really ugly or socially awkward, or something.

People say, "American women in SF are fat and ugly." OK.

What's also funny: SF is one of the #1 destination in the U.S. for foreign tourists.

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As a result, record numbers of international tourists are coming to the Bay Area. Despite it great distance from Europe, San Francisco International Airport was the sixth-most-popular arrival point in the United States during the first nine months of 2007. Just over 1 million foreign visitors flew into San Francisco, up 9 percent from the comparable period in 2006, close to the 10 percent increase registered for the United States as a whole, according to the Commerce Department's Office of Travel and Tourism Industries.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...GU8QP6.DTL

But none of those are hot, foreign women that "red pill" "alpha males" seek out, I guess.

Haha this reminds me of when I decided to stay in hostels... In the same city I was living in at the time... Sf! Most genius idea I ever had, "yeah my apartment is being fumigated". I think mike may be better looking than most bc I definitely work hard when there. But I am a 6 @ most and my game locations change fast!

I also have a crack pot theory that these very feminist areas, sf, NYC etc. all end up being similar to Iceland where it becomes a one night stand culture/game as they become manly (disclaimer this is an opinion based on what I have heard about Iceland and will update when I visit soon).

[MikeCF]

(06-10-2012 03:20 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Haha this reminds me of when I decided to stay in hostels... In the same city I was living in at the time... Sf! Most genius idea I ever had, "yeah my apartment is being fumigated". I think mike may be better looking than most bc I definitely work hard when there. But I am a 6 @ most and my game locations change fast!

I also have a crack pot theory that these very feminist areas, sf, NYC etc. all end up being similar to Iceland where it becomes a one night stand culture/game as they become manly (disclaimer this is an opinion based on what I have heard about Iceland and will update when I visit soon).

Hostel idea is brilliant. You must have good salesmanship. They told me I ad to show an ID without a local address. I didn't push it. Should have used your line.

Guys who hate on SF....

Get a membership at MOMA. It was $85 or something last I checked.

Chicks are into art or claim to be.

With your membership, you skip the line. "DHV."

Check out the latest exhibit, grab a coffee at the Blue Bottle at the top. Great views of the city, sculpture garden.

Now...Are they guys hating on SF doing anything like that?

How about taking an afternoon at Crissy Field? Even better: Have a dog or go with a buddy who has one.

I'd bring my dog right on the same beach where women (all ugly pigs, to be sure) are sun bathing. You think it's hard to open a chick when you're playing on the beach with a cute dog?

Not gonna lie...I'm a tall white guy. I have some "privilege."

But I was always doing cool shit in that city. It's not like I just smile, show up, and the world is given to me.

I'd love to hear what the SF haters would do on a typical Saturday.

On a Saturday, I would walk from SOMA to Crissy Field and back. That's 8 or 9 hours.

I do that shit because I'm healthy, and like being outside, and it's fun to take a dog.

You know how many women you pass by when you're out all day?

Again, i would challenge anyone to "drop a datasheet." Where exactly are you going in SF where all of these women are pigs?

At Crissy Field, it's a track where girls run. Are fat girls all into running now?

Are guys reading 7x7 to get a feel for the City and what's going on?

SF is the best city to run game in because it's so god damned awesome.

To me, ideal game isn't "lacing up the work boots" and putting my hours in.

To me, ideal game is doing something that is cool, and either bringing a girl or meeting one there.

In a sentence, that's what running game in SF is to me.

[WestCoast]

Agree with all that, people who hate SF pretty much never put in the work to find their fish bowl. Everyone is told to go to the marina to swoop as you're alluding to. However if your look doesn't fit the bill most just end up doing the same thing over an over again.

I'd say the best strategy in SF is not "where are the hot girls" but "where will I be the most valuable". Every bar/club has at least 2-3 attractive girls no matter what ppl on here say. So if you're the "catch" in the bar it should be no problem opening up and swinging for the fences!

[Blackhawk]

(06-10-2012 05:24 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

They are smarter in requiring the man to spend some of that stack on her before putting out.

There's a whole angle on high-end purse stores in SF to be aware of. The high-end designer purse stores have the most liberal return policies of all. They will receive back merchandise even after several days.

No they do not have a receipt. No they do not want a charge back to the original credit card. They want cash, now, please. And out they walk, cash in hand.

There's a class of girls pretending they're not prostitutes. Instead they spend Thursday-Saturday on "dates" with men that start with buying $400-$600 (or higher) purses. The girls know exactly which shops have the best return policies, will insist on the shop, and pick out their purse by price, not looks. And then they spend Monday morning returning their latest collection of purses for cash to get paid for all their "dates".

But is that sugar-daddy? Nah.

[Dexter Morgan]

"eg employing semi-superfluous cute female employees."

That's not far-fetched. I know brokerage firms on Wall St that do that. They employ cute little bubbleheads as "brokers assistants" or "runners" or "screen girls"...but in reality, they do NOTHING but improve the scenery on a stressful trading floor. I'm not complaining, some of them are smokin'...

[Lemmo]

The average SF women is an over 40 third world migrant who is 20 pounds overweight, has facial hair, is semi-literate and bathes on a less than daily basis. My brain stopped noticing and processing females after a few months there due to never being stimulated by the sight of anything remotely appealing. Outside of the Marina it would be a rare week where I encountered more than 1-2 bangable women. If you are working in the Financial District, your world will be particularly grim. But I think this description could be applied to most of the largest US cities.

If misfortune results in an extended stay in SF or similar US city, your time is better spent making money and planning your escape than fighting for scraps. In the meantime, make due with foreign exchange students.

[beta_plus]

(04-10-2012 02:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

May I have your attention please.


This is why SF has the most Sugar Daddies in America:

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Little does anyone here know that prostitution and arrangements are huge in the gay community.

A gay man's life is just like a woman's; he's valuable when young, but when old all he can offer is money in exchange for sex.


Therefore, given that SF is the gay mecca of the USA, I immediately assumed that the reason SF has the most Sugar Daddies is because of gay men paying for arrangements.

A quick google later and I found this:
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/gaysugardaddy.php

Says it all.

While I like the point, I'm not sure I would agree. Wouldn't you see similar trends in cities like New York and DC?

DC's gay community is so big that I found SF underwhelming. DC gays just dress more conservatively so it's harder to tell

Maybe a better comparison would be SF vs. Toronto (also has a massive gay community and the only place I've ever met gay guys who I were not sure were genetically gay).