[Sebastian]

I've been going out to clubs and bars for several years.

Now I can hold good conversation (non-english background) at the bar and clubs. I think having a conversation at those places is harder than places like coffee shops, grocery store, gym etc due to its dynamic atmosphere.

I want to switch to day game due to several reasons.

-I want to meet a good girl. I know good girls go to bars and clubs too. However, it's just a wrong place to meet a guy in their mind. Although I say 'I want to get to know you', they will probably think I am just after one thing.
-I want to meet a girl who doesn't get hit on by guys in such places.
We all know, even average girl's value will go up to the roof on online dating sites. An average female regular is going to act like she has high standards. (this will drop tremendously in day time)
We all say 'don't put women on pedestal'. When many guys are checking her out and try talking to her, isn't it harder to differentiate yourself from those herds?
-I want to find a girl who dates from the social circle. there are girls who think finding a guy at the bar or on online dating site is just plain stupid. they are less likely to be an attention whore.
-She will value your braveness more if you approach her outside the bar.

It's true that there are still many guys who can't approach girls even at bars. I think I don't have problem with that.
I think it's easier than day game because that's what a lot of guys do. I don't feel too embarrassed if I get rejected. there is no risk involved.

Day game seems harder because
You can get really embarrassed (at the bar, other people can't hear your conversation)
Hitting on girls won't draw attention and it's considered common.

I've been reading forums and tips online for a while.
I don't think I need a 'new information'

I just need to change my mindset.

how did you switch to day game from night game?

[MikeCF]

Roosh has a book out about this very subject. It's called "Day Bang." You can buy it on Amazon.com

[soup]

If you are going indirect, I think the biggest switch is that you have to tone down any asshole qualities, and you have to just seem like the type of guy that would talk to random strangers.

So, you can't come off looking like you're in a bad mood, defensive, or too high energy. Just be relaxed and collected. Most guys are too afraid to even talk to attractive girls that they don't know during the day, so you don't need to set yourself apart by acting aloof, cocky-funny, and all that other shit that works during night game.

Yes- check out Roosh's Day Bang. He talks about this a lot and gives you easy-to-follow strategy for day game.

[oldnemesis]

(02-23-2012 07:01 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

Now I can hold good conversation (non-english background) at the bar and clubs. I think having a conversation at those places is harder than places like coffee shops, grocery store, gym etc due to its dynamic atmosphere.

Nope, it is the opposite. A club is one of the most difficult places to hold the conversation, since you have to deal with a lot of distractions (loud music, alcohol, dancing, her friends, other guys). Starting a conversation is a different story though.

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I want to switch to day game due to several reasons.
-I want to meet a good girl. I know good girls go to bars and clubs too. However, it's just a wrong place to meet a guy in their mind. Although I say 'I want to get to know you', they will probably think I am just after one thing.

How do you define a "good girl"? It is hard for me to imagine what kind of people you cannot meet at the bars/clubs if you vary the places and the time (happy hours, for example, bring very different crowds comparing to midnights) - that should be someone really socially awkward, in which case you won't have too much success in daygame as well (try something like WoW or online dating).

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-I want to meet a girl who doesn't get hit on by guys in such places.
We all know, even average girl's value will go up to the roof on online dating sites. An average female regular is going to act like she has high standards. (this will drop tremendously in day time)

Any socially aware chick (and vast majority of them are) knows very well her real value, because it is a dynamic thing. A guy's value is pretty much constant because less of it comes from the appearance. A girl's value is very dynamic - bring her in a club full of beautiful girls, and her value will drop; bring her in a bar full of ugly fatties, and her value skyrockets. Note that this would happen even if there are no guys at all and nobody's hitting on anyone.

In short: during daygame you're likely to "pay" the realistic price for her in terms of value. During nightgame you can overpay - this is true - but you also can underpay, and get much more than you'd otherwise get just by comparing value-wise.

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-I want to find a girl who dates from the social circle. there are girls who think finding a guy at the bar or on online dating site is just plain stupid. they are less likely to be an attention whore.

In my opinion it is kinda retarded to think that the same person you'd meet at the street would be worse if you meet them in a bar (maybe she was actually going to a bar after all). Nor I know anyone who actually thinks this way. Sure there are people who're talking this way, but this is hypocritical America, people say thinks they think other expect them to say, and not the things they really feel.

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-She will value your braveness more if you approach her outside the bar.

Depends on a lot of things, but so far it looks like you're getting all the wrong reasons.