Back in July, Roosh wrote a post titled “The No-Dating Challenge for Intermediate Players.” At the time, I was approaching a two-month dry spell so I knew I needed a change. I’ve been in the game long enough to know that if you’re having a dry spell, it’s time to make radical changes. Up until the no-dating challenge I would still settle for a number after getting a make out.
So for me to accept the no-dating challenge would indeed be a big change.
Roosh’s challenge was framed as thus:
The Challenge: For three months, I don’t want you to go on a single date with a girl you haven’t already had sex with.
Although I liked the concept of the no-dating challenge, I changed the challenge around a bit in order to make it easier on myself, because I figured there wasn’t any reason to deny a number with a high likelihood of sex.
Samseau’s No-Dating Challenge : Do not accept a number unless you’ve already made it back to a sex location.
This means if I made it reasonably far within a seduction of a girl, I could take her number for a future date. The full challenge of sex or nothing was too much, and didn’t really seem to help me understand how to best fuck many girls.
Roosh also stated that “Dating before sex was actually detrimental to my sex goal since so many girls during the summer want the immediate satisfaction of having a cock […] inside them,” but that “things are a little different in the winter. Girls are going out with bushy vaginas and unshaved legs, not having washed in days. They are not prepared to receive […] penis, so one-night stands are triply hard during this season.” Therefore, I also wanted to use this challenge to see if female behavior changed with the seasons.
And now, four months later, the results are in. Let’s just say that this no-dating challenge has been the best thing that has ever happened to my sex life, and I would like to share my experiences and results with you.
Evolution
(As you may or may not know, my night game is dance floor game. Keep that in mind as you read this.)
For the first two weeks of the challenge, I didn’t accomplish shit. I felt like I was making negative progress. No numbers, no lays, just a bunch of dances that left me with blue balls. I decided to ramp up my aggressiveness and see what happened. I wasn’t sure how to reliably get a girl back to her place or my place, so I was just stumbling around in the dark until I got lucky.
And then, on the third week, I got lucky. Dancing with a small, petite, and very attractive girl in middle of August, I used my regular line of pulling her outside to cool off. I hadn’t danced with her for more than twenty minutes. As we walked outside, we both pulled out our earplugs. It was like this girl visited a lot of clubs too. But, instead of just hanging outside the club to talk, she started to walk me back to her place without saying a word! Once inside of her apartment, I was still in a state of shock of how fast/easy I had gotten inside her place, so I of course fucked up such an easy lay. My nervousness showed and she showed me out the door. I got her number but I never called.
This was the epiphany moment for me: all she wanted was a fuck. There was no point for romance; she wanted sex and wanted it quickly. My hesitation was unwarranted because I had no way of knowing how fast any girl wanted to hook up. I then had one of the deepest “inner game” realizations so far my entire gaming career.
When I was dancing with a girl from then on, including to this day, I always think to myself,
“Samseau, you will never see this girl again. What are you going to do about it?
These girls would not be in my life for more than a night. There was no point to our meeting other than to try and have sex with them. We were only there for a good time, and unless the moment was seized upon nothing would happen. I repeat it to myself every time I’m with a girl, You will never see her again. It doesn’t matter if you get her number. You will never see her again. I became a man; because I understood that You will never see her again.
Any girl I met at night would only be with me for a timeless moment. Although she would be insignificant to the rest of my life, she was still a human being who had decided to share the moment with me. I knew she was fucked up from American culture; that she would make a terrible wife; than she would never amount to anything special in life. I knew that she was probably terribly flawed and had zero girlfriend potential.
But, for that timeless moment, she was holding on to me. Who cares what happened after that?
So the next week, with renewed vigor, I went out. Thursday night, I got into a girl’s home. Fucked it up, didn’t bang. Friday night, used the bathroom line to get into yet another girl’s apartment. Fucked it up again, didn’t bang. Saturday night, took a girl back to her house. Got her top off but didn’t bang. Got her number with the intention to call. She flaked on me all week but went out with me the following Thursday. Got her back to my place, but still wouldn’t bang. “Fucking bullshit,” I thought to myself.
But with so many pulls from the club, I knew I was getting close to victory. I could see my game incrementally improving. I could taste the tip of the pussy-gates that stood in my way; and once on the other side, I would have discovered the promised land of easy sex with beautiful girls. There was no going back now.
A trip to NYC began a hot streak that defined my summer. I picked up a very cute Princeton girl who had the whole geeky-librarian vibe going. Banged her in a high-rise overlooking Central Park. The most aesthetically pleasing fuck I’ve ever had in my life. Took her out the next day for a nice stroll through Brooklyn, including a walk across the Brooklyn Bridge. All while holding hands like a couple. I love sweet sensitive girls like that…
And upon arriving back in Boston Sunday night, I got a phone call from the girl who wouldn’t bang me just three days ago. “Hey Samseau, do you want to hang out?” Then I fucked a second girl that weekend. She would be my fuckbuddy for the next week and a half, but I enjoyed a new girl every weekend for the following month.
Five girls in six weeks. And countless others I had made to third base with but never banged. All between the ages of 22-28. This was more women than I had ever banged in my entire life from the age of 0-22. A three week dry spell followed by a notch every two and a half weeks characterized the rest of my fall, but the No-Dating Challenge had served its purpose.
Tired of Sex
The thing about having so much sex is that you get tired of it. Fucking new girls for over a month, I asked myself, “How do guys keep up with fucking 40+ women a year?” It’s not just a stamina issue, but also a mental issue. It becomes tiresome and boring to constantly look for new women, to push through shit-tests, to find out the same logistics, etc.
I just couldn’t keep it up. The inevitable dry spell that followed the hot streak came from being unable to find the motivation to go out and bang new girls. I was so satisfied that the hunger to get me laid was not there.
Sex? I was tired of sex. I wanted to do something else.
But of course, now, I think I could keep up a fuckathon much longer than six weeks. It takes practice but I’m sure I could do it now. The next fuckathon might only be for eight weeks, at most, but the next one might be for twelve weeks, etc. Like anything else, it takes practice.
I have a great appreciation and respect for players who can keep picking up new girls week after week now. The trick isn’t learning how to game women; it’s the training and discipline to keep up one’s efforts that makes maintaining a hot streak so difficult.
The Nature of Flaking
Of the girls I banged during the No-Dating Challenge, 40% were same night lays. Most of them wouldn’t put out on the first night, but I got far enough with them that on the next date I could bang them.
After plowing through enough girls I noticed a pattern. Girls would not flake if I made it to second base or beyond with them.
First base: Kissing
Second base: Boob play
Third base: Genital play
Home base: Fucking
If a girl would let me take her shirt off or feel under her shirt, the number I got from her would not flake. If she only kissed me, the number would flake around 75% of the time. And even getting her out on a date almost never resulted in sex.
I thought to myself, “Does pushing for sex mean girls will be less likely to flake?”
But, this fall, after summer’s experiences, I noticed that girls I could have pushed aggressively with but didn’t still did not flake on me. One of the hottest girls I’ve ever dated went like this:
I was dancing solo in a club. A circle had formed around me. She runs up to me and starts to dance with me. We dance very aggressively next to each other for some time. I take her outside. She talks to me. I never kiss her. She gives me her number. I go on a date with her later that week.
So now I wonder: is aggressively escalation the reason why girls do not flake, or are girls who are interested in seeing me again the ones that will let me escalate on them?
I think it is the latter, and figuring out which girls will not flake is becoming close to second nature to me now.
This means that a escalating towards sex has no bearing on how a girl feels towards you. Sex does nothing to make a girl like you. She likes you before she has sex with you, and she likes you after sex based on your behavior towards her. It’s game the whole way, and sex is ancillary for women.
This also means that while you do not need to push for sex to keep her interest in you high, one must keep in mind that a woman’s interest is fleeting and that if you don’t push for sex quickly you may miss your chance to get your dick wet.
Harems?
What’s the point of harems again? When you fully accept the concept of the abundance mentality, harems become a waste of time.
Why focus on keeping old girls when you can just get new girls and improve your game? And, for me, new girls are hotter than the old girls since my game is improving with each new girl.
Dancing and the Purpose of Night Game
Dancing still makes no sense to me. Why do girls like this shit so much? Combined with the no-dating challenge, dance floor game is almost too easy. I can’t wait till next summer.
But I think dancing was designed for night game, and night game is designed for hook-ups. I can't even imagine trying to date a girl I meet at night when hook-ups are the norm.
Dry Spells
I think 99% of men dread dry-spells. After the no-dating challenge, I don't fear them at all.
In fact, I like dry spells. Dry spells are the most exciting part of the game for me now. It's when I can overcome new challenges and discover new ways to play the game.
Dry spells, and not hot streaks, are the most memorable part of game. I understand now that sex becomes easier and easier to acquire as you improve at the game, so nothing is learned or gained until you hit another dry spell. When I hit a dry spell, I feel more alive than when I'm telling girls to come over my apartment.
It is absolutely true that the lure of sex is more fufilling than the sex itself.
Summer hook-ups vs. Winter Relationships
It’s scary how accurate Roosh’s observations concerning dating are so accurate. I don’t understand how this guy figures it out so well, but it keeps me coming back to his site and forums.
Summer time is when you do one-night stands and hook-ups. But now that winter is fast approaching, I’ve noticed that my favorite clubs have dried up in talent. The average age of girls in my favorite clubs has moved up from 25 to 30; none of the girls are willing to make out on the dance floor; girls are much more conscious of their friend’s opinions.
Roosh’s original comment of “things are a little different in the winter. Girls are going out with bushy vaginas and unshaved legs, not having washed in days. They are not prepared to receive […] penis, so one-night stands are triply hard during this season” was spot on. It matches what I’ve seen 100%. I would say things aren’t just a little different, but completely different.
One-night stands have become a distant memory here in New England. The winter makes girls want to nest, and nothing else matters to them. Sucks. Found an old article that seems to confirm our observations:
I’ve decided to stop going out at night. It’s become a waste of time. I’ll wait till the snow starts to melt before I go back out again.
As a result, I’m moving into Day Game and Online Game. I wonder how these will go? This also makes me curious about something else.
The Dating Challenge
From the no-dating challenge, I am now going to do the reverse.
Samseau’s Dating Challenge : No having sex with a girl you haven’t been on at least three dates with.
You might ask me why I would do such a retarded challenge. The reason is that some guys are in the game for sex. Some are it for power. Some are in it for money. All of those things I like as well. But the reason I’m in the game is for the knowledge.
I’ve heard there is an entirely separate way to play the game that involves taking it slow with girls in order to make them go crazy for you. Just the past week, I had an 18 year old girl in bed with me that has now come to an end. I’ve been thinking to myself: What if I had taken it slower with her? Would she still be sharing my bed with me? How cool would it be if I had an 18 year old fall in love with me? I could cheat on her at bars/clubs without her ever knowing. It would be great.
And this makes me wonder: is there another way to play the game? I’ve heard about Doc Love game, which involves playing up the “hard to get” angle so that girls always wonder what your motives are. One of my closest friends followed Doc Love and has been in an LTR for two years now. Another poster on this forum who goes by the name of Jack D. Serrano writes of the same thing. Even Roissy mentions that more dates mean longer relationships.
So I’m going to try the Dating Challenge to see how results differ from the No-Dating Challenge. Exploring the opposites should give me a clearer picture of what’s my optimal game, and understand how women work between the summer and winter seasons. I’ll stop doing the Dating Challenge come this March/April (I’ll quit it in March if the results are abysmal) and report back to the forum with more info. I also expect that Day Game and Online Game will be more conducive to slower game styles, whereas night game benefits from super aggressive play styles.
Till then - happy gaming.
So for me to accept the no-dating challenge would indeed be a big change.
Roosh’s challenge was framed as thus:
The Challenge: For three months, I don’t want you to go on a single date with a girl you haven’t already had sex with.
Although I liked the concept of the no-dating challenge, I changed the challenge around a bit in order to make it easier on myself, because I figured there wasn’t any reason to deny a number with a high likelihood of sex.
Samseau’s No-Dating Challenge : Do not accept a number unless you’ve already made it back to a sex location.
This means if I made it reasonably far within a seduction of a girl, I could take her number for a future date. The full challenge of sex or nothing was too much, and didn’t really seem to help me understand how to best fuck many girls.
Roosh also stated that “Dating before sex was actually detrimental to my sex goal since so many girls during the summer want the immediate satisfaction of having a cock […] inside them,” but that “things are a little different in the winter. Girls are going out with bushy vaginas and unshaved legs, not having washed in days. They are not prepared to receive […] penis, so one-night stands are triply hard during this season.” Therefore, I also wanted to use this challenge to see if female behavior changed with the seasons.
And now, four months later, the results are in. Let’s just say that this no-dating challenge has been the best thing that has ever happened to my sex life, and I would like to share my experiences and results with you.
Evolution
(As you may or may not know, my night game is dance floor game. Keep that in mind as you read this.)
For the first two weeks of the challenge, I didn’t accomplish shit. I felt like I was making negative progress. No numbers, no lays, just a bunch of dances that left me with blue balls. I decided to ramp up my aggressiveness and see what happened. I wasn’t sure how to reliably get a girl back to her place or my place, so I was just stumbling around in the dark until I got lucky.
And then, on the third week, I got lucky. Dancing with a small, petite, and very attractive girl in middle of August, I used my regular line of pulling her outside to cool off. I hadn’t danced with her for more than twenty minutes. As we walked outside, we both pulled out our earplugs. It was like this girl visited a lot of clubs too. But, instead of just hanging outside the club to talk, she started to walk me back to her place without saying a word! Once inside of her apartment, I was still in a state of shock of how fast/easy I had gotten inside her place, so I of course fucked up such an easy lay. My nervousness showed and she showed me out the door. I got her number but I never called.
This was the epiphany moment for me: all she wanted was a fuck. There was no point for romance; she wanted sex and wanted it quickly. My hesitation was unwarranted because I had no way of knowing how fast any girl wanted to hook up. I then had one of the deepest “inner game” realizations so far my entire gaming career.
When I was dancing with a girl from then on, including to this day, I always think to myself,
“Samseau, you will never see this girl again. What are you going to do about it?
These girls would not be in my life for more than a night. There was no point to our meeting other than to try and have sex with them. We were only there for a good time, and unless the moment was seized upon nothing would happen. I repeat it to myself every time I’m with a girl, You will never see her again. It doesn’t matter if you get her number. You will never see her again. I became a man; because I understood that You will never see her again.
Any girl I met at night would only be with me for a timeless moment. Although she would be insignificant to the rest of my life, she was still a human being who had decided to share the moment with me. I knew she was fucked up from American culture; that she would make a terrible wife; than she would never amount to anything special in life. I knew that she was probably terribly flawed and had zero girlfriend potential.
But, for that timeless moment, she was holding on to me. Who cares what happened after that?
So the next week, with renewed vigor, I went out. Thursday night, I got into a girl’s home. Fucked it up, didn’t bang. Friday night, used the bathroom line to get into yet another girl’s apartment. Fucked it up again, didn’t bang. Saturday night, took a girl back to her house. Got her top off but didn’t bang. Got her number with the intention to call. She flaked on me all week but went out with me the following Thursday. Got her back to my place, but still wouldn’t bang. “Fucking bullshit,” I thought to myself.
But with so many pulls from the club, I knew I was getting close to victory. I could see my game incrementally improving. I could taste the tip of the pussy-gates that stood in my way; and once on the other side, I would have discovered the promised land of easy sex with beautiful girls. There was no going back now.
A trip to NYC began a hot streak that defined my summer. I picked up a very cute Princeton girl who had the whole geeky-librarian vibe going. Banged her in a high-rise overlooking Central Park. The most aesthetically pleasing fuck I’ve ever had in my life. Took her out the next day for a nice stroll through Brooklyn, including a walk across the Brooklyn Bridge. All while holding hands like a couple. I love sweet sensitive girls like that…
And upon arriving back in Boston Sunday night, I got a phone call from the girl who wouldn’t bang me just three days ago. “Hey Samseau, do you want to hang out?” Then I fucked a second girl that weekend. She would be my fuckbuddy for the next week and a half, but I enjoyed a new girl every weekend for the following month.
Five girls in six weeks. And countless others I had made to third base with but never banged. All between the ages of 22-28. This was more women than I had ever banged in my entire life from the age of 0-22. A three week dry spell followed by a notch every two and a half weeks characterized the rest of my fall, but the No-Dating Challenge had served its purpose.
Tired of Sex
The thing about having so much sex is that you get tired of it. Fucking new girls for over a month, I asked myself, “How do guys keep up with fucking 40+ women a year?” It’s not just a stamina issue, but also a mental issue. It becomes tiresome and boring to constantly look for new women, to push through shit-tests, to find out the same logistics, etc.
I just couldn’t keep it up. The inevitable dry spell that followed the hot streak came from being unable to find the motivation to go out and bang new girls. I was so satisfied that the hunger to get me laid was not there.
Sex? I was tired of sex. I wanted to do something else.
But of course, now, I think I could keep up a fuckathon much longer than six weeks. It takes practice but I’m sure I could do it now. The next fuckathon might only be for eight weeks, at most, but the next one might be for twelve weeks, etc. Like anything else, it takes practice.
I have a great appreciation and respect for players who can keep picking up new girls week after week now. The trick isn’t learning how to game women; it’s the training and discipline to keep up one’s efforts that makes maintaining a hot streak so difficult.
The Nature of Flaking
Of the girls I banged during the No-Dating Challenge, 40% were same night lays. Most of them wouldn’t put out on the first night, but I got far enough with them that on the next date I could bang them.
After plowing through enough girls I noticed a pattern. Girls would not flake if I made it to second base or beyond with them.
First base: Kissing
Second base: Boob play
Third base: Genital play
Home base: Fucking
If a girl would let me take her shirt off or feel under her shirt, the number I got from her would not flake. If she only kissed me, the number would flake around 75% of the time. And even getting her out on a date almost never resulted in sex.
I thought to myself, “Does pushing for sex mean girls will be less likely to flake?”
But, this fall, after summer’s experiences, I noticed that girls I could have pushed aggressively with but didn’t still did not flake on me. One of the hottest girls I’ve ever dated went like this:
I was dancing solo in a club. A circle had formed around me. She runs up to me and starts to dance with me. We dance very aggressively next to each other for some time. I take her outside. She talks to me. I never kiss her. She gives me her number. I go on a date with her later that week.
So now I wonder: is aggressively escalation the reason why girls do not flake, or are girls who are interested in seeing me again the ones that will let me escalate on them?
I think it is the latter, and figuring out which girls will not flake is becoming close to second nature to me now.
This means that a escalating towards sex has no bearing on how a girl feels towards you. Sex does nothing to make a girl like you. She likes you before she has sex with you, and she likes you after sex based on your behavior towards her. It’s game the whole way, and sex is ancillary for women.
This also means that while you do not need to push for sex to keep her interest in you high, one must keep in mind that a woman’s interest is fleeting and that if you don’t push for sex quickly you may miss your chance to get your dick wet.
Harems?
What’s the point of harems again? When you fully accept the concept of the abundance mentality, harems become a waste of time.
Why focus on keeping old girls when you can just get new girls and improve your game? And, for me, new girls are hotter than the old girls since my game is improving with each new girl.
Dancing and the Purpose of Night Game
Dancing still makes no sense to me. Why do girls like this shit so much? Combined with the no-dating challenge, dance floor game is almost too easy. I can’t wait till next summer.
But I think dancing was designed for night game, and night game is designed for hook-ups. I can't even imagine trying to date a girl I meet at night when hook-ups are the norm.
Dry Spells
I think 99% of men dread dry-spells. After the no-dating challenge, I don't fear them at all.
In fact, I like dry spells. Dry spells are the most exciting part of the game for me now. It's when I can overcome new challenges and discover new ways to play the game.
Dry spells, and not hot streaks, are the most memorable part of game. I understand now that sex becomes easier and easier to acquire as you improve at the game, so nothing is learned or gained until you hit another dry spell. When I hit a dry spell, I feel more alive than when I'm telling girls to come over my apartment.
It is absolutely true that the lure of sex is more fufilling than the sex itself.
Summer hook-ups vs. Winter Relationships
It’s scary how accurate Roosh’s observations concerning dating are so accurate. I don’t understand how this guy figures it out so well, but it keeps me coming back to his site and forums.
Summer time is when you do one-night stands and hook-ups. But now that winter is fast approaching, I’ve noticed that my favorite clubs have dried up in talent. The average age of girls in my favorite clubs has moved up from 25 to 30; none of the girls are willing to make out on the dance floor; girls are much more conscious of their friend’s opinions.
Roosh’s original comment of “things are a little different in the winter. Girls are going out with bushy vaginas and unshaved legs, not having washed in days. They are not prepared to receive […] penis, so one-night stands are triply hard during this season” was spot on. It matches what I’ve seen 100%. I would say things aren’t just a little different, but completely different.
One-night stands have become a distant memory here in New England. The winter makes girls want to nest, and nothing else matters to them. Sucks. Found an old article that seems to confirm our observations:
Quote:Quote:
In the new study, the scientists scrutinized birth records of 166 countries, representing tens of millions of births. Studying the United States and Europe and the other countries of the temperate zone in the Northern Hemisphere the researchers found there are two annual conception peaks, which continue today but were especially notable before the era of extensive industrialization.
One statistical spike occurs around the spring equinox, in March, resulting in a spate of births in late December or early January. The second arrives in autumn, around October or November, leading to a slight glut of babies arriving in mid-summer.
I’ve decided to stop going out at night. It’s become a waste of time. I’ll wait till the snow starts to melt before I go back out again.
As a result, I’m moving into Day Game and Online Game. I wonder how these will go? This also makes me curious about something else.
The Dating Challenge
From the no-dating challenge, I am now going to do the reverse.
Samseau’s Dating Challenge : No having sex with a girl you haven’t been on at least three dates with.
You might ask me why I would do such a retarded challenge. The reason is that some guys are in the game for sex. Some are it for power. Some are in it for money. All of those things I like as well. But the reason I’m in the game is for the knowledge.
I’ve heard there is an entirely separate way to play the game that involves taking it slow with girls in order to make them go crazy for you. Just the past week, I had an 18 year old girl in bed with me that has now come to an end. I’ve been thinking to myself: What if I had taken it slower with her? Would she still be sharing my bed with me? How cool would it be if I had an 18 year old fall in love with me? I could cheat on her at bars/clubs without her ever knowing. It would be great.
And this makes me wonder: is there another way to play the game? I’ve heard about Doc Love game, which involves playing up the “hard to get” angle so that girls always wonder what your motives are. One of my closest friends followed Doc Love and has been in an LTR for two years now. Another poster on this forum who goes by the name of Jack D. Serrano writes of the same thing. Even Roissy mentions that more dates mean longer relationships.
So I’m going to try the Dating Challenge to see how results differ from the No-Dating Challenge. Exploring the opposites should give me a clearer picture of what’s my optimal game, and understand how women work between the summer and winter seasons. I’ll stop doing the Dating Challenge come this March/April (I’ll quit it in March if the results are abysmal) and report back to the forum with more info. I also expect that Day Game and Online Game will be more conducive to slower game styles, whereas night game benefits from super aggressive play styles.
Till then - happy gaming.
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