Quote: (05-03-2011 03:20 AM)Andreas Wrote:
Quote: (05-03-2011 02:36 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:
Clowns like this capitalize on the instant-gratification stereotype of game. The popular notion--perpetuated by media exposure of high-profile "PUAs"--is that it's a series of manipulations or tricks that you can learn in an "action-packed" weekend and "apply immediately."
Sure, you can make yourself look like a royal douche like these guys and learn some tired-ass acronyms in a weekend. But you can't learn any measure of real game like this. As most guys on this board know, this shit takes years to hone. And if you want air-tight game, it takes--quite literally--daily work, in a variety of different areas of your life.
These guys sell the opposite: the easy route. There will always be charlatans that dilute the product, re-package it, and re-sell it to an unsuspecting audience. Shit's been going on since the time of Socrates. I used to worry that the proliferation of so-called PUAs would saturate the market and aggravate the bottleneck toward the remaining non-fatty hot chicks. Videos like this have made me feel considerably better.
I have see a lot of videos of PUA teaching. Negs is basically for those who start out, notice how those who got yearsmof experience don't use negs a lot. Im talking about Cajun, mystery etc. If you notice when they film the teachers trying to pick up they all say and do the same things. However those who had hidden videos not for the media make their game look more natural, including conversation and some body language. In the 2 seasons "the pick up artist" mystery and matador use the same lines which is a show for tv for those who only want to see PUAs performing.
Because those guys want to sell they promise results in short amount of time toward success which is enough to give them enough social value. By more experience they become more natural
Over the last year I've become good friends with two up and coming commercial dating and pickup coaches, so I got to see and witness a lot of the behind the scenes shit that goes on with them and the PUA scene in general.
I won't say their name (I don't want to seem like I'm dick riding or promoting them), but about 90% of PUA instructors are master marketers and crazy over sellers. Yet, because of their established followings and affiliate networks, it is highly profitable to do business with these guys.
So even if you are good, you have to share the stage with Vince Kelvin. And guess what - to a new, lost, confused guy, someone with more followers and establishment in the seduction industry will have way more appeal than someone who is "new and different". Shit, when I first discovered PUA, i was yelling all the rah rah bullshit on how mystery method was superior to "RSD Style" game, only because i didn't have any experience or know better.
There are two things in particular that catch my attention - Mehow's Infield Insider and pickuptube.net - both are supposed to be examples of "masters" of seduction caught on video. Yet, when looking at the list of people on these sites - do you see any of the names from the "conglomerates" of seduction? Do you see RSD, lovesystems, stylelife, venutian arts, bradP? Absolutely not, because that would be bad for business. As much as i dislike guys like Mehow who put on a gay vibe, oversell numbers and overemphasize routines, at least he has the balls to step up and be filmed. ((My friends were on both of those shows, and both times they took girls home, and I'm about 90% sure that most of those videos are glorified phone numbers(I watched a few infield insider episodes)))
But the best (and also the worst) thing is what happens when these guys reject the bullshit theory and actually do stuff that will get you laid. The first time I went out with these guys, they had a student with them who has previously taken a bootcamp with another company but wasnt getting laid. We watched him - he would approach girls trying to be the funny guy entertaining dancing monkey. the girls would laugh, chat for a bit, the interaction would fizzle, but he would come back to us with a huge shit eating grin on his face. Just that brief validation from these girls was enough for him... my friends had to tell him to his face that he wasted a thousand dollars on something that will get girls to talk to him, but never laid. That night was the first night he tried a riskier and more difficult style of game, more direct, more sexual, with more escalation. He got blown out... hard. In fact the night ended with him at a Diner at 4 am, crying. But the next night he came back, did a bit better, and has now been with a few girls since then and is in a good relationship.
So yeah, that was a non focused rant lol