After months of being put in the back burner. I present ya'll , the MILF/Cougar datasheet!
This mostly applies to younger members on the forum as the thing discussed are based on my experiences from ages 16 to 22. I’m sure other members can certainly benefit from it too! Having mini-relationships with 5-6 women is my thing. It's mostly based on my experiences in America but I've had my share of cougars from abroad....Colombian, Argentine, Mexican, Chinese, and Dutch. Every bang, except one, has been older than me.
First and foremost, what is a MILF/Cougar? What’s the difference?
A MILF is a "Mom I'd Like to Fuck" while a cougar is an older woman on the hunt for a younger man. Put it this way, MILFs are the prey and cougars are the predators. A MILF can be a cougar if she's a hot mom, and a MILF can be a cougar if she's looking for a younger man.
The main difference in my experience and why I separate the terms is because most MILFs are soccer moms who never had a relationship with a younger man. Hence, MILFs are for the most part inexperienced and cougars are experts.
Where can you find them?
You can find them in many places! Most of them are pretty standard: Whole Foods, grocery stores in the suburbs, upscale bars, wine bars, Chuck-E-Cheese (hope the bastards don't sue me), and schools!
Cougars tend to go to upscale bars while MILFS go to family oriented places.
Upscale supermarkets - Go to Whole Foods/Trader Joes/Central Market/etc before 2PM, as soccer moms have to pick up their kids around 245pm-4pm. I usually ask them what brand of cheese they recommend for school lunch (my siblings). It comes off as non-creepy, I know my cheeses, and can branch off from there.
Parks - They will be running around a park or taking their kids to the playground. With all these mud runs and warrior dashes, many older women have taken interest in these and you'll catch them around the park. The best time to go is during the morning after kids have been dropped off (8am-10a) and during the evening (5pm-830pm).
School - If you have a sibling in school, pick them up. If you have a kid, even better.There are many posted near the entrance 20 minutes before kids are released. They're bored as fuck and want someone to talk to them! Literally, some beta will stand around while the MILF is looking at her phone. Usually I tease them about their phone habits or ask their opinion on the weather/school. With the rise in divorce and single parenthood, many MILFs also abound school events and carnivals. They'll be bored to death so open them, it'll make dealing with little Timmy much easier. Ironically, I dislike kids.
Kid entertainment centers (Chuck-E-Cheese) - Every Friday evening somewhere in 'murica there's a birthday party being thrown at C-E-C, Dave and Busters, or some place where kids go. There will be the lone MILF who is there with her kid and is bored to death. Usual approach is to see tease her about not earning enough points or tickets and challenge her to play. I take my siblings when this happens, it comes off as more natural. If you can, punch Chuck E for me.
Barnes and Noble - Best place is somewhere near offices around as they bring the most professional cougars around. I usually go around lunch to kill time and read. After a while I noticed that many cougars go there too for lunch for the same thing from 11am-230pm. The B&N in the suburbs are not as packed as the ones near office districts. My openers are usually a comment about her book. She's reading 50 shades of grey? Quote a line on the book. Management book? Throw her a question about a situation to let her hamster into the wild.
Places with a patio - Cougars love to go out and socialize, especially in the summer. Find a patio restaurant and you will see them in droves. Try Gloria's or Mi Cocina in Dallas. You will see them with their fake nails, heels, and drink in hand. The best time to go is after 5pm when they want to “rest”, during happy hour, and on weekends. It’s summer so take advantage of the weather and extra sunlight!
Wine bars - Similar to the patio restaurant, except you will find them in the evenings. Honestly, I didn't know much about wines but I threw a name here and there….women usually don’t know shit so they’re impressed with my “knowledge”. The one’s who know their stuff are the rich ones who have nothing else to do but drink wine.
Rooftop bars - Friday and Saturday nights are the best, cougars like going to upscale places so the place that’s popping depends on your city. For Dallas I would say Ghostbar, Joule, NYLO, the Gaylord (sans downtown area). Expect little black dresses and bitch drinks. I usually go and stay sober, talk to them, and then start drinking.
The trend is clear: The best places to find one are places flowing with alcohol. They want to unwind and have fun. Even Whole Foods has a bar! If you’re young, you can persuade them into taking shots easily as she doesn’t want to feel old. Rumplemintz and Green Hulks are my favorites. For the love of Pyros (the alpha bear), don’t pay for their drinks….if you play your cards right they will pay for yours.
So, Rustler….what’s the best place to find these older women?
The answer is simple: Match.com
Even if you’re not into “online game”, Match yields better ROI than anything else. Most older women are busy and looking for her beta provider so they sign up for Match. Match lets you send 50 messages every 24 hours and gives you plenty of filter features. If you search the following it will be difficult to run out of targets: 34 - (your max desired age) + 25 miles away + online now + sort them by distance. My favorite is: 25 miles away + online now + curvy + latina. It gets accurate results. I’ve tried “all races” instead of latina and the definition of curvy got distorted very quickly.
Also, another reason I like match is because of the barriers to entry. Many guys are too stingy to buy a subscription, so it reduces the number of competitors. Not to mention, that will also decrease the number of guys with bad game so things are easier for one. The number of horrible looking fatties and SIFs is also down due to the cost barrier, fatties would rather buy burgers and gravy with the money they could spend on a Match subscription.
I’ll post a link for a free 7-day trial for Match so y’all can try it out. It’s not an affiliate link as I do not want people to think this is an thread filled with affiliate links for me to earn a couple of bucks.
http://www.match.com/promo/promopage.asp...d=tryitout
Online Game
Get ready for reject and holier-than-thou messages, especially if you live in the South or a conservative area. Take these messages with a laugh.
If she says you’re old enough to be her son, say you’re 22 and she’s 36….it’s not very likely but female hamster is female hamster. You should tell her that while that is possible, it’s not and it doesn't hurt to make new friends. Some say you should take rejections as rejections, I disagree. A copy/pasta doesn’t hurt, if she says no or doesn’t reply after that, I move on.
OKC - It’s horrible. Bad layout, fatties, and some mediocre women. I would pass this one.
POF - Great ROI! When I get on here I get a good response rate from older women. Mostly positive, however Markus doesn’t like my rustling and has IP blocked me so I can’t move them to texting soon enough. The lizards are okay, some are blue collar and some are career lizards.
Niche Cougar sites - Do not use these!!! For the love of god, avoid these like the plague. I’m talking about Dateacougar and Cougar Life. DateACougar has a majority of real members but they’re so few that before you know it your closest locals will be in NYC when you’re in Houston. Cougar Life has so many fake profile that it’s not worth it at all, also they charge a subscription plus a “point charge” for every message sent.
Online Game Frame
Having a good online profile is key to success. Remember who with young girls it’s cool to keep it short and straight? This is almost the opposite, older broads love to read. Write a fun but “mature profile”...don’t write about Monday Night Football, beer, and man caves because that’s what her beta bitch boy ex-husband did. Go somewhere along the lines of: Tennis, wine, and traveling (Beirut, Amsterdam, Brazil, China). If you haven't traveled much....read some datasheets. It makes you stand out from most guys and give you a fun appearance. Honestly, some of the competition is pathetic...some guys will post pictures in dad’s jeans.
The best way to filter through them from the beginning is to bring up age from the beginning. Is age just a number? What does she think about age differences? That way you will know if you’re wasting your time or not. Or you can be more indirect, but filtering through the BS is better.
Shit Tests
Most will give you shit tests, being prepared and knowing the answer is key. As always, with practice you become more comfortable and know when a shit test is about to appear.
They include:
How to deal with kids and husbands
There might be a chance you have to interact with her kids or ex/current husband. It's happens, kids are getting out of school or hubby is coming to pick them up.
Kids - Be cool around them. Goes both ways, keep interaction at a minimum unless the MILF is worthy enough to keep around.....if so, then have the kids like you. I found that if her kids like me, they will want me to come visit, MILF likes it, results in more bangs. If her kids is near you age, it's easier create a connection with him/her but don't forget that you're "mature" so watch what you're saying and doing (don't talk about Pokemon).
Beta bitch hubbies - Troll them. They go nuts knowing a guy half their age is enjoying the fruits of his hard labor. You're fucking on half his assets. If she's recently divorced....convince her to tape a session and send it to him for "the lulz". Beware, you might run into problems. I had a drunk husband call me at 3pm threading to kill me, I laugh it off after knowing his solution to knowing he's a cuckold was drinking.
It's nice when she pays, it's better when her ex- husband pays, and it doesn't get better if her current husband pays.
Can I turn a Cougar/MILF into a sugar momma?
Does a bear shit in the woods?
I've done this a couple of times. It’s mostly with older women who were newly widowed or divorced. Fuck them good and they’ll be satisfied as their husband did not satisfy her needs. Give her a good time and she will be happy. I’m not saying giving her flowers and be beta, but do something different. She drives a BMW M5? Make the needle hit 180, she’s never driven it past 110. She’s never tried real mexican food? Take her to eat some authentic tacos. As humans, we crave for new things and danger…to some that means doing or going somewhere for “the experience” (MILF thanked me for taking to eat tacos, weird).
If you want extra points, play the therapist role. She will bitch and moan about her divorce or how her husband was/is. For this I expect her to provide a higher ROI, she must be rich. I’m not going to sit around that for a free night out.
Most importantly, if she has money…..act unimpressed. If you act impressed or make it sound like it’s all about the money the will sniff you from a mile away and dump your ass. Don't ask for anything, wait until she starts giving you stuff in an attempt to "buy you".
I think I’ll turn the Cougar/MILF sugar momma section into a proper datasheet itself.
Can a Cougar/MILF provide anything else?
Hell yeah they can! This is were you can see some of the differences.
Milfs are great at doing stuff at home. If you're bad a cooking or don't want to, MILFs are excellent cooks. Nothing like a tasty mexican milf....I mean meal, or fresh pasta! In addition, they're willing to do your laundry and help you do stuff while you're at work.
Cougars excel in networking and business advice. The office life has consumed them and their rolodex. Ask them how to run X or how to get X and they'll be glad to help you out. Some have given me advice on finance and networking (took me to an event, met people in my industry that I wouldn't have been able to meet without her vouching for me). One of them is a private school teacher, she helped my sister enroll in a well-off private school for a discounted price.
As long as you keep providing dick and a good time, they're willing to go the extra mile for you.
Conclusion
If you're tired of dating broke 18-25 year olds whining about their shitty job or inability to find one, give an older woman a try.
The good:
This mostly applies to younger members on the forum as the thing discussed are based on my experiences from ages 16 to 22. I’m sure other members can certainly benefit from it too! Having mini-relationships with 5-6 women is my thing. It's mostly based on my experiences in America but I've had my share of cougars from abroad....Colombian, Argentine, Mexican, Chinese, and Dutch. Every bang, except one, has been older than me.
First and foremost, what is a MILF/Cougar? What’s the difference?
A MILF is a "Mom I'd Like to Fuck" while a cougar is an older woman on the hunt for a younger man. Put it this way, MILFs are the prey and cougars are the predators. A MILF can be a cougar if she's a hot mom, and a MILF can be a cougar if she's looking for a younger man.
The main difference in my experience and why I separate the terms is because most MILFs are soccer moms who never had a relationship with a younger man. Hence, MILFs are for the most part inexperienced and cougars are experts.
- Cougar = Looks like the lady from “Cougar Town”, most likely career woman
- Puma = Cougar in training
- MILF = Mom who takes care of her kids and you see at a grocery store
- GILF = Same as MILF, but it's Grandma instead of Mom. This is a major factor in the Hispanic community where a MILF can turn into a GILF by age 35 as she had a kid at 17/18 and her kid did too.
Where can you find them?
You can find them in many places! Most of them are pretty standard: Whole Foods, grocery stores in the suburbs, upscale bars, wine bars, Chuck-E-Cheese (hope the bastards don't sue me), and schools!
Cougars tend to go to upscale bars while MILFS go to family oriented places.
Upscale supermarkets - Go to Whole Foods/Trader Joes/Central Market/etc before 2PM, as soccer moms have to pick up their kids around 245pm-4pm. I usually ask them what brand of cheese they recommend for school lunch (my siblings). It comes off as non-creepy, I know my cheeses, and can branch off from there.
Parks - They will be running around a park or taking their kids to the playground. With all these mud runs and warrior dashes, many older women have taken interest in these and you'll catch them around the park. The best time to go is during the morning after kids have been dropped off (8am-10a) and during the evening (5pm-830pm).
School - If you have a sibling in school, pick them up. If you have a kid, even better.There are many posted near the entrance 20 minutes before kids are released. They're bored as fuck and want someone to talk to them! Literally, some beta will stand around while the MILF is looking at her phone. Usually I tease them about their phone habits or ask their opinion on the weather/school. With the rise in divorce and single parenthood, many MILFs also abound school events and carnivals. They'll be bored to death so open them, it'll make dealing with little Timmy much easier. Ironically, I dislike kids.
Kid entertainment centers (Chuck-E-Cheese) - Every Friday evening somewhere in 'murica there's a birthday party being thrown at C-E-C, Dave and Busters, or some place where kids go. There will be the lone MILF who is there with her kid and is bored to death. Usual approach is to see tease her about not earning enough points or tickets and challenge her to play. I take my siblings when this happens, it comes off as more natural. If you can, punch Chuck E for me.
Barnes and Noble - Best place is somewhere near offices around as they bring the most professional cougars around. I usually go around lunch to kill time and read. After a while I noticed that many cougars go there too for lunch for the same thing from 11am-230pm. The B&N in the suburbs are not as packed as the ones near office districts. My openers are usually a comment about her book. She's reading 50 shades of grey? Quote a line on the book. Management book? Throw her a question about a situation to let her hamster into the wild.
Places with a patio - Cougars love to go out and socialize, especially in the summer. Find a patio restaurant and you will see them in droves. Try Gloria's or Mi Cocina in Dallas. You will see them with their fake nails, heels, and drink in hand. The best time to go is after 5pm when they want to “rest”, during happy hour, and on weekends. It’s summer so take advantage of the weather and extra sunlight!
Wine bars - Similar to the patio restaurant, except you will find them in the evenings. Honestly, I didn't know much about wines but I threw a name here and there….women usually don’t know shit so they’re impressed with my “knowledge”. The one’s who know their stuff are the rich ones who have nothing else to do but drink wine.
Rooftop bars - Friday and Saturday nights are the best, cougars like going to upscale places so the place that’s popping depends on your city. For Dallas I would say Ghostbar, Joule, NYLO, the Gaylord (sans downtown area). Expect little black dresses and bitch drinks. I usually go and stay sober, talk to them, and then start drinking.
The trend is clear: The best places to find one are places flowing with alcohol. They want to unwind and have fun. Even Whole Foods has a bar! If you’re young, you can persuade them into taking shots easily as she doesn’t want to feel old. Rumplemintz and Green Hulks are my favorites. For the love of Pyros (the alpha bear), don’t pay for their drinks….if you play your cards right they will pay for yours.
So, Rustler….what’s the best place to find these older women?
The answer is simple: Match.com
Even if you’re not into “online game”, Match yields better ROI than anything else. Most older women are busy and looking for her beta provider so they sign up for Match. Match lets you send 50 messages every 24 hours and gives you plenty of filter features. If you search the following it will be difficult to run out of targets: 34 - (your max desired age) + 25 miles away + online now + sort them by distance. My favorite is: 25 miles away + online now + curvy + latina. It gets accurate results. I’ve tried “all races” instead of latina and the definition of curvy got distorted very quickly.
Also, another reason I like match is because of the barriers to entry. Many guys are too stingy to buy a subscription, so it reduces the number of competitors. Not to mention, that will also decrease the number of guys with bad game so things are easier for one. The number of horrible looking fatties and SIFs is also down due to the cost barrier, fatties would rather buy burgers and gravy with the money they could spend on a Match subscription.
I’ll post a link for a free 7-day trial for Match so y’all can try it out. It’s not an affiliate link as I do not want people to think this is an thread filled with affiliate links for me to earn a couple of bucks.
http://www.match.com/promo/promopage.asp...d=tryitout
Online Game
Get ready for reject and holier-than-thou messages, especially if you live in the South or a conservative area. Take these messages with a laugh.
If she says you’re old enough to be her son, say you’re 22 and she’s 36….it’s not very likely but female hamster is female hamster. You should tell her that while that is possible, it’s not and it doesn't hurt to make new friends. Some say you should take rejections as rejections, I disagree. A copy/pasta doesn’t hurt, if she says no or doesn’t reply after that, I move on.
OKC - It’s horrible. Bad layout, fatties, and some mediocre women. I would pass this one.
POF - Great ROI! When I get on here I get a good response rate from older women. Mostly positive, however Markus doesn’t like my rustling and has IP blocked me so I can’t move them to texting soon enough. The lizards are okay, some are blue collar and some are career lizards.
Niche Cougar sites - Do not use these!!! For the love of god, avoid these like the plague. I’m talking about Dateacougar and Cougar Life. DateACougar has a majority of real members but they’re so few that before you know it your closest locals will be in NYC when you’re in Houston. Cougar Life has so many fake profile that it’s not worth it at all, also they charge a subscription plus a “point charge” for every message sent.
Online Game Frame
Having a good online profile is key to success. Remember who with young girls it’s cool to keep it short and straight? This is almost the opposite, older broads love to read. Write a fun but “mature profile”...don’t write about Monday Night Football, beer, and man caves because that’s what her beta bitch boy ex-husband did. Go somewhere along the lines of: Tennis, wine, and traveling (Beirut, Amsterdam, Brazil, China). If you haven't traveled much....read some datasheets. It makes you stand out from most guys and give you a fun appearance. Honestly, some of the competition is pathetic...some guys will post pictures in dad’s jeans.
The best way to filter through them from the beginning is to bring up age from the beginning. Is age just a number? What does she think about age differences? That way you will know if you’re wasting your time or not. Or you can be more indirect, but filtering through the BS is better.
Shit Tests
Most will give you shit tests, being prepared and knowing the answer is key. As always, with practice you become more comfortable and know when a shit test is about to appear.
They include:
- I could be your mom
- My kids are the same age as you
- I'm married
- You're too young
- You can't take me to a bar (if you're under 21)
- I'm looking someone more experienced
- Why do you like older women?
- You could be, but you're not
- I'm not your kid
- I'm sure he's having fun staying late at the office
- Age is just a number
- If you need alcohol that much, you probably need to go to AA
- LOL, most americans are cubicle slaves who go home to eat fatty foods and watch football. What experience can one gain from that?
- Girls my age are too immature
How to deal with kids and husbands
There might be a chance you have to interact with her kids or ex/current husband. It's happens, kids are getting out of school or hubby is coming to pick them up.
Kids - Be cool around them. Goes both ways, keep interaction at a minimum unless the MILF is worthy enough to keep around.....if so, then have the kids like you. I found that if her kids like me, they will want me to come visit, MILF likes it, results in more bangs. If her kids is near you age, it's easier create a connection with him/her but don't forget that you're "mature" so watch what you're saying and doing (don't talk about Pokemon).
Beta bitch hubbies - Troll them. They go nuts knowing a guy half their age is enjoying the fruits of his hard labor. You're fucking on half his assets. If she's recently divorced....convince her to tape a session and send it to him for "the lulz". Beware, you might run into problems. I had a drunk husband call me at 3pm threading to kill me, I laugh it off after knowing his solution to knowing he's a cuckold was drinking.
It's nice when she pays, it's better when her ex- husband pays, and it doesn't get better if her current husband pays.
Can I turn a Cougar/MILF into a sugar momma?
Does a bear shit in the woods?
I've done this a couple of times. It’s mostly with older women who were newly widowed or divorced. Fuck them good and they’ll be satisfied as their husband did not satisfy her needs. Give her a good time and she will be happy. I’m not saying giving her flowers and be beta, but do something different. She drives a BMW M5? Make the needle hit 180, she’s never driven it past 110. She’s never tried real mexican food? Take her to eat some authentic tacos. As humans, we crave for new things and danger…to some that means doing or going somewhere for “the experience” (MILF thanked me for taking to eat tacos, weird).
If you want extra points, play the therapist role. She will bitch and moan about her divorce or how her husband was/is. For this I expect her to provide a higher ROI, she must be rich. I’m not going to sit around that for a free night out.
Most importantly, if she has money…..act unimpressed. If you act impressed or make it sound like it’s all about the money the will sniff you from a mile away and dump your ass. Don't ask for anything, wait until she starts giving you stuff in an attempt to "buy you".
I think I’ll turn the Cougar/MILF sugar momma section into a proper datasheet itself.
Can a Cougar/MILF provide anything else?
Hell yeah they can! This is were you can see some of the differences.
Milfs are great at doing stuff at home. If you're bad a cooking or don't want to, MILFs are excellent cooks. Nothing like a tasty mexican milf....I mean meal, or fresh pasta! In addition, they're willing to do your laundry and help you do stuff while you're at work.
Cougars excel in networking and business advice. The office life has consumed them and their rolodex. Ask them how to run X or how to get X and they'll be glad to help you out. Some have given me advice on finance and networking (took me to an event, met people in my industry that I wouldn't have been able to meet without her vouching for me). One of them is a private school teacher, she helped my sister enroll in a well-off private school for a discounted price.
As long as you keep providing dick and a good time, they're willing to go the extra mile for you.
Conclusion
If you're tired of dating broke 18-25 year olds whining about their shitty job or inability to find one, give an older woman a try.
The good:
- They know how to fuck
- They're not broke
- They're strapped for time so it's easier to get the bang
- They're not clingy
- They're energetic and want to "live" the years they missed out on due to marriage/kids
- Have access to booze/cigs (if you're under 21)
- They're great at networking professionally!
- They haven't gotten over their divorce
- They might ramble on and on about their divorce or ex husband
- They're tight on time
- Their career takes too much time
- Can be snobby (dive bar? GTFO, 30-floor rooftop or nada)
- Kids might be hell
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