Wednesday night. RCA, Bangkok
How can the night be summed up? Some main parts:
a) Last night I number-closed a girl and arranged a date for 6pm at Coco Walk. At 3:30pm it's on. At 4:30pm I'm told that she "only has 100 Baht in her wallet and forgot to go to the ATM". I see this as a blatant 'gold-digging' attempt and this stance is confirmed by her reiterations of "this is the last night I'm free until the 15th April". NEXT.
b) I go out. I'm not massively in 'the zone' in comparison to other nights. I go for a fag, get talking to a Singaporean guy that seems cool and decide to wing with him for the night.
c) I'm in the dancing area, some girl is keen in response to my approach. I dance with her, leave it there and plan to return after another fag. I look round on the way out and see the Singaporean desperately undercutting me for her number.
d) I pass two Korean girls. After two openers they still stare at the wall like I'm not even there. Man I hate Koreans.
e) Approach two different Koreans. Much nicer and receptive. Then the Singaporean dude turns up and completely demolishes all progress with one sentence. They visibly turn from attracted to disgusted.
f) I go back in the dancing area alone. I start dancing with a different girl. We dance dirty and make out. Meanwhile, my right shoulder is blocking out the Singaporean guy on his return and my left shoulder is blocking out a white dude who's trying to muscle in. All the way through his approach I'm sexy-dancing with the girl. Her friend helps to block both of them bizarrely, at one point she actively grabs the phone from the white dude's hand and shove's it back in his chest.
g) Making out on the dancefloor and closing. It's on. But of course, it isn't. After her shit-tests, we're leaving hand-in-hand. Her friend gives the 'green light' "Have fun you guys". Two metres from the exit, the girl needs more validation that she isn't a slut "I want to stay here for a bit longer!!!!"
h) I sigh very obviously. "Gahhh, fine, let's stay for the next damn song! so we're going over there are we :/?". An occurrence that has happened before. Sometimes I feel like a Premiership goalkeeper in stoppage time, you get one final test before you can leave. It all fell apart, and I couldn't be arsed to fight for it beyond 'reasonable shit-test'. She started having a tantrum, from there I just thought "*sigh*, 'NEXT' it is then, after all that"
So yeah, where am I going with this? Well, one year ago I properly got into 'the game'
I was never absolutely terrible with women, and never needed 'extreme divine intervention' or anything, but this time last year I'd moved to Taipei (from Korea) and wanted more vagina. This forum helped me tremendously, and I'd like to reflect on the past year.
I used to pull about three or four girls a year. I'd go out drinking with the lads, would hit the dance floor, and I'd pull every now and then.
Past year, I've rolled solo and have pulled cold from the club well over 20 times. It's weird to think that one year ago I approached 'Luxy' suited up, walked up to the entrance, turned around and went home because I was too nervous to go in alone![[Image: lol.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/new/lol.gif)
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Now, I get the initial hate, totally, I've been in Asia the past year, 'doesn't count', right?. But truthfully, Britain was WAY easier. I do maintain that I predominantly bang 7's and 'good girls' (yeah I know, that term is complete bullshit). I really don't think this is the account of a guy who shores prostitutes and bangs farang-groupies and is having a fun time 'gaming on easy mode'. I'm picky, to the point where others think I have low libido and I stand on a plinth. I do maintain that 99% of non-RVF dudes guys are banging 5's and 6's here and I do maintain that I've turned down plenty in this category. I'm not trying to act like a big shot though, I don't bang 8's either as I still have a long way to go before I get to that stage.
Anyway, I'd like to share what I've learnt. Most of it is stuff we already know, stuff that Roosh has said YEARS ago, but it's good to look back and confirm it's absolutely legit. This may all have been covered before, but I mean this post with the best of intentions. Here's what I've found:
1) NO ONE CARES that you're alone
No one gives a shit. Let's count the number of times I've been shit-tested by fellow guys that I'm alone: ZERO. Honestly.
And as for girls, well it really isn't that high. Agree and amplify and no one has EVER shit-tested me beyond a general observation.
No one cares. REALLY. Next time you go out, actively look for guys who are on their own. You'll notice about ten. I'm adamant. And you won't feel anything either way.
Well, with the cooler looking guys you'll think 'ah there's some cool dude chilling over there, anyway, where's my beer gone?'. With the dorky guys you'll think 'ah there's some dork chilling over there, anyway, where's my beer gone?'. Nothing much either way. No one cares. No one gives a shit unless you do something very obviously out-right retarded.
And if you feel awkward, grab a beer and stay PUT somewhere. I always feel 50% less awkward with a drink in my hand for some reason.
2) DO NOT make friends with ANY guys in the club
They will fuck you over, no exceptions. You can only ever roll with a fellow guy who's experienced the same 'abundance mentality' with girls as you (Enter RVF members!). Every other guy will feel like the night is an anomaly. They will do everything to leech off your approach and steal the girl.
Even if that isn't the case, 99% of the time you're just better off approaching on your own rather than babysitting and having a dude fuck up your approaches.
Note: Every time I'm not 'in the zone' I'll talk to some guy to try and help me back up. Whilst they usually help give me an energy boost, every time I regret it! I'll usually start approaching more in response to this and will then want the guy to fuck off. One year on I've still not learnt my bloody lesson!
3) Don't Peacock. Dress Well.
I've had my peacocking stage. I became pretty infamous in Taipei as 'that dude with the shirt braces/white jeans etc'. Don't peacock. Get a shirt that fits, some pants that fit and nice shoes. I've found that it's good to still have that 'plausible innocence'.
Whilst my often garish look in Taipei categorically DID result in some easy bangs, it made a lot of girls instantly know what I was about (and in the wrong way, weirdly).
It's always gonna be attractive to seem like you're desirable to other women. But it's not good to seem like you're doing the same routine as you did last week. Girls are pretty observant here, to give them credit.
4) Gay guys are fantastic
If you find a gay guy with some girls, my god, win them over and you're set. They essentially do all the work for you. No 'mother-hen management' required from here and minimal escalation effort. They'll push the girl to go with you. Some of my easiest bangs have been the result of gay guys helping me out.
5) Have a dance
Dance floor game is a good place to start for game. Just walk on, be cheeky, dance and move towards girls. You'll get a make-out easily, providing your confident.
I did dance floor game for ages. Then I started actually talking to girls. Good place to start and build confidence up IMO. I REALLY miss dance-floor game, it's not that apparent in Bangkok.
6) Groups of two
Maybe this is obvious as hell. But I'm looking back at my 'bang' document on word (I'm a real card, I know). 95% of the time the bang came from approaching a two-some of girls.
I actually prefer approaching groups of 3/4 when alone as it throws them off guard, but approaching a two-some is the way to success. Looking back at this actually has me pretty surprised as I've always maintained that approached groups of three is the way to go, evidently not, the results speak for themselves.
7) Set and Setting
It's been done to death, but the pre-drink is as important as the real thing. My minds not personally up to it unless I've blasted out two hours of Limp Bizkit or something. We all have our routines I'm sure.
8) Use game books sparingly
A copy of Bang is probably all you need. Rest should be 'first-hand' experience.
There are books on Kino, books on Last-Minute Resistance, books on Shit-Tests and books on 'Conversation'. I'm absolutely not a game-denialist but I see a lot of these as unnecessary.
Just truly believe you're the real deal. It's absolutely easier said than done I know. There was some quote the other day where a poster essentially said that game effectively "emulates how a true alpha acts naturally". I agree with that.
I went through a phase of acting 'James-Bond' and thinking "This is the part of the conversation where I must now say this line". The fundamentals of game are INCREDIBLY important, but don't 'over-think'.
9) You're doing well
This is an odd one. But really, you're doing so much better than any other guy who isn't on this forum.
MANY times I've heard stories from work colleagues and friends out here about the girls they've pulled, the booty-calls they have and attention they've got in a club. Admittedly it used to make me feel jealous and doubt my progress.
But without fail, EVERY time I've investigated I've found out that 7 was a 5 and that 'mad attention' the guy was getting for his new shirt was actually just a questionable look from a girl at the other end of the room. Really, you're doing damn well to roll solo so give yourself a pat on the back!
How can the night be summed up? Some main parts:
a) Last night I number-closed a girl and arranged a date for 6pm at Coco Walk. At 3:30pm it's on. At 4:30pm I'm told that she "only has 100 Baht in her wallet and forgot to go to the ATM". I see this as a blatant 'gold-digging' attempt and this stance is confirmed by her reiterations of "this is the last night I'm free until the 15th April". NEXT.
b) I go out. I'm not massively in 'the zone' in comparison to other nights. I go for a fag, get talking to a Singaporean guy that seems cool and decide to wing with him for the night.
c) I'm in the dancing area, some girl is keen in response to my approach. I dance with her, leave it there and plan to return after another fag. I look round on the way out and see the Singaporean desperately undercutting me for her number.
d) I pass two Korean girls. After two openers they still stare at the wall like I'm not even there. Man I hate Koreans.
e) Approach two different Koreans. Much nicer and receptive. Then the Singaporean dude turns up and completely demolishes all progress with one sentence. They visibly turn from attracted to disgusted.
f) I go back in the dancing area alone. I start dancing with a different girl. We dance dirty and make out. Meanwhile, my right shoulder is blocking out the Singaporean guy on his return and my left shoulder is blocking out a white dude who's trying to muscle in. All the way through his approach I'm sexy-dancing with the girl. Her friend helps to block both of them bizarrely, at one point she actively grabs the phone from the white dude's hand and shove's it back in his chest.
g) Making out on the dancefloor and closing. It's on. But of course, it isn't. After her shit-tests, we're leaving hand-in-hand. Her friend gives the 'green light' "Have fun you guys". Two metres from the exit, the girl needs more validation that she isn't a slut "I want to stay here for a bit longer!!!!"
h) I sigh very obviously. "Gahhh, fine, let's stay for the next damn song! so we're going over there are we :/?". An occurrence that has happened before. Sometimes I feel like a Premiership goalkeeper in stoppage time, you get one final test before you can leave. It all fell apart, and I couldn't be arsed to fight for it beyond 'reasonable shit-test'. She started having a tantrum, from there I just thought "*sigh*, 'NEXT' it is then, after all that"
So yeah, where am I going with this? Well, one year ago I properly got into 'the game'
I was never absolutely terrible with women, and never needed 'extreme divine intervention' or anything, but this time last year I'd moved to Taipei (from Korea) and wanted more vagina. This forum helped me tremendously, and I'd like to reflect on the past year.
I used to pull about three or four girls a year. I'd go out drinking with the lads, would hit the dance floor, and I'd pull every now and then.
Past year, I've rolled solo and have pulled cold from the club well over 20 times. It's weird to think that one year ago I approached 'Luxy' suited up, walked up to the entrance, turned around and went home because I was too nervous to go in alone
.Now, I get the initial hate, totally, I've been in Asia the past year, 'doesn't count', right?. But truthfully, Britain was WAY easier. I do maintain that I predominantly bang 7's and 'good girls' (yeah I know, that term is complete bullshit). I really don't think this is the account of a guy who shores prostitutes and bangs farang-groupies and is having a fun time 'gaming on easy mode'. I'm picky, to the point where others think I have low libido and I stand on a plinth. I do maintain that 99% of non-RVF dudes guys are banging 5's and 6's here and I do maintain that I've turned down plenty in this category. I'm not trying to act like a big shot though, I don't bang 8's either as I still have a long way to go before I get to that stage.
Anyway, I'd like to share what I've learnt. Most of it is stuff we already know, stuff that Roosh has said YEARS ago, but it's good to look back and confirm it's absolutely legit. This may all have been covered before, but I mean this post with the best of intentions. Here's what I've found:
1) NO ONE CARES that you're alone
No one gives a shit. Let's count the number of times I've been shit-tested by fellow guys that I'm alone: ZERO. Honestly.
And as for girls, well it really isn't that high. Agree and amplify and no one has EVER shit-tested me beyond a general observation.
No one cares. REALLY. Next time you go out, actively look for guys who are on their own. You'll notice about ten. I'm adamant. And you won't feel anything either way.
Well, with the cooler looking guys you'll think 'ah there's some cool dude chilling over there, anyway, where's my beer gone?'. With the dorky guys you'll think 'ah there's some dork chilling over there, anyway, where's my beer gone?'. Nothing much either way. No one cares. No one gives a shit unless you do something very obviously out-right retarded.
And if you feel awkward, grab a beer and stay PUT somewhere. I always feel 50% less awkward with a drink in my hand for some reason.
2) DO NOT make friends with ANY guys in the club
They will fuck you over, no exceptions. You can only ever roll with a fellow guy who's experienced the same 'abundance mentality' with girls as you (Enter RVF members!). Every other guy will feel like the night is an anomaly. They will do everything to leech off your approach and steal the girl.
Even if that isn't the case, 99% of the time you're just better off approaching on your own rather than babysitting and having a dude fuck up your approaches.
Note: Every time I'm not 'in the zone' I'll talk to some guy to try and help me back up. Whilst they usually help give me an energy boost, every time I regret it! I'll usually start approaching more in response to this and will then want the guy to fuck off. One year on I've still not learnt my bloody lesson!
3) Don't Peacock. Dress Well.
I've had my peacocking stage. I became pretty infamous in Taipei as 'that dude with the shirt braces/white jeans etc'. Don't peacock. Get a shirt that fits, some pants that fit and nice shoes. I've found that it's good to still have that 'plausible innocence'.
Whilst my often garish look in Taipei categorically DID result in some easy bangs, it made a lot of girls instantly know what I was about (and in the wrong way, weirdly).
It's always gonna be attractive to seem like you're desirable to other women. But it's not good to seem like you're doing the same routine as you did last week. Girls are pretty observant here, to give them credit.
4) Gay guys are fantastic
If you find a gay guy with some girls, my god, win them over and you're set. They essentially do all the work for you. No 'mother-hen management' required from here and minimal escalation effort. They'll push the girl to go with you. Some of my easiest bangs have been the result of gay guys helping me out.
5) Have a dance
Dance floor game is a good place to start for game. Just walk on, be cheeky, dance and move towards girls. You'll get a make-out easily, providing your confident.
I did dance floor game for ages. Then I started actually talking to girls. Good place to start and build confidence up IMO. I REALLY miss dance-floor game, it's not that apparent in Bangkok.
6) Groups of two
Maybe this is obvious as hell. But I'm looking back at my 'bang' document on word (I'm a real card, I know). 95% of the time the bang came from approaching a two-some of girls.
I actually prefer approaching groups of 3/4 when alone as it throws them off guard, but approaching a two-some is the way to success. Looking back at this actually has me pretty surprised as I've always maintained that approached groups of three is the way to go, evidently not, the results speak for themselves.
7) Set and Setting
It's been done to death, but the pre-drink is as important as the real thing. My minds not personally up to it unless I've blasted out two hours of Limp Bizkit or something. We all have our routines I'm sure.
8) Use game books sparingly
A copy of Bang is probably all you need. Rest should be 'first-hand' experience.
There are books on Kino, books on Last-Minute Resistance, books on Shit-Tests and books on 'Conversation'. I'm absolutely not a game-denialist but I see a lot of these as unnecessary.
Just truly believe you're the real deal. It's absolutely easier said than done I know. There was some quote the other day where a poster essentially said that game effectively "emulates how a true alpha acts naturally". I agree with that.
I went through a phase of acting 'James-Bond' and thinking "This is the part of the conversation where I must now say this line". The fundamentals of game are INCREDIBLY important, but don't 'over-think'.
9) You're doing well
This is an odd one. But really, you're doing so much better than any other guy who isn't on this forum.
MANY times I've heard stories from work colleagues and friends out here about the girls they've pulled, the booty-calls they have and attention they've got in a club. Admittedly it used to make me feel jealous and doubt my progress.
But without fail, EVERY time I've investigated I've found out that 7 was a 5 and that 'mad attention' the guy was getting for his new shirt was actually just a questionable look from a girl at the other end of the room. Really, you're doing damn well to roll solo so give yourself a pat on the back!