Ordinarily I would dismiss these as the histrionic ventings of lonely, sexually frustrated men (who exist in every city), but I'm starting to wonder if there's something uniquely sick with this particulary city...
Here is a site:
http://www.loosenuptoronto.com
which you might be interested in checking out.
To quote one man who sent an email to the site:
The only thing I might add in your goals section is something about relations between the sexes, which are appalling. I moved here a couple of years ago from New York City after breaking up with my girlfriend of nearly ten years and I can't describe just how difficult it is to meet women here. I go back to New York quite often and thank God because at least I meet women down there. Toronto women are just awful - and, conversely, I understand they say the same thing about Toronto men. So it must be something in the culture, a basic uptightness or fear.
so don't worry Picard, its not you. I have spoken to many men who have visited the city and they say the same thing:
Tiziano Lariani
posted 05-17-2002 09:04 AM
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my god, do i HATE Toronto!
lived there a total of 8 months for university, then transferred back here to Milan cause i just couldn't take the climate, foood and people anymore.
You are right, toronto women are bad.
They're so superficial it leaves you dumbfounded, and contrary to appearances, they are only POLITE, but definitely not FRIENDLY.
And yes, they tend to me Narcisistic and honestly a bit domineering: i have a feeling that the "pussification" of the worldwide male population began in Canada.
I still have to meet a Canadian man who is able to give a politically incorrect statement or show a bit of balls, it is not in the Canadian tradition i believe.
Conclusion: Toronto sucks, come to Italy, the women are not easier but definitely sweeter and more feminine!
stever
posted 05-22-2002 04:15 PM
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Hey man....yours is a very bitter post but I do agree with some of what you said....
I am 32 & have been in Toronto all my life....the women do have attitude here & if was not for the fact that I have a decent job & family issues here I would be off elsewhere....Toronto is a very cold & materialistic city...but I am sure other large cities are the same - New York, LA, Chicago......
Ottawa & Montreal are great cities..lots of friendly beautiful women...
Dark Nimbus
posted 05-22-2002 06:11 PM
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Damn, I'm glad to hear guys that have been living here all their lives can see this too. Being born in Europe I can clearly see the difference of living here and there. I have been living here for most of my life, but I still have a hard time getting used to the barriers the girls here put up. You're dead on about the girls being VERY materialistic, and living here is f*cking expensive. A typical night out cost me over $40, more when I take the GO up to the city.
I also tend to agree that most of the girls I've met don't have all that much going on upstairs. They're more concerned about how they're percieved from the physical stand-point then what comes out of their mouths.
I'm also noticing a greater increase of gang like mentality happening every year. Kids around here are a bunch of thugs who live in and for their cars. I just heard on the news Toronto is the number 1 city for illegal street racing now, not a big suprise to me. Funny thing is as I'm watching this I see a bunch of cops standing around checking out the cars instead of ticketing these morons.
I can't wait to finish school here and pack my bags for the states. After I make some money I'm thinking about going back to Europe where the women on average are better looking and more fun.
Good luck in Europe.
The Big Bad Wolf
posted 05-22-2002 06:36 PM
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I'm out on the East Coast, in Halifax, and the girls who come from the Toronto/Ontario area to go to college here, are exactly as you described them.
They act very uppeclass-like. I've busted a few of them down, but for the most part, they are a tremendous waste of time. I preffer women who are a little more down to earth, and not so stuck up. It must be the area, because many of my friends have said the same thing.
The Big Bad Wolf
quote:
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Fir3start3r
This guy is right on one thing.
Toronto women can be cold.
When I used to live in Barrie and come down to the clubs in Toronto, there was always some prevasive air about them.
I have NO idea why, but they did.
Maybe I was just in the wrong clubs?
I never when to clubs looking to pick up women anyways (I never liked their attitude most of the time); I went for the music.
(Besides, I had a women most of the time)
Dude, my suggestion would be to find a club out of the Toronto area.
They seem much friendly there for SOME reason.
For those of you friendly women Tkers; this isn't an attack on you.
It's just an observation from years of clubbing in and around the area.
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quote:
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scruffy1
Dude, I would have to agree.
Toronto women are cold, sullen faces individuals. And it is only in Toronto that I witness this.
I've had a girlfriend for almost 2 1/2 years (from Ottawa) so when I go out I'm not out to pickup... However, when I'm out partying in Toronto or even just driving down Yonge street it always strikes me as odd that the women here are such *****es, like something is owed to them or that they are better then everyone else.
Admittedly, most guys in Toronto are like that as well but the ratio of cold girls to cold guys is definitely much higher in the girls favour.
I just don't understand it. You go to Montreal and the women there are so pleasant and sexy and in Toronto they are all dark and dismissive, of everyone and look like they think that society owes them.
Can someone explain what women here in Toronto believe they have the right to be so condescending and rude to everyone??
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Here is a site:
http://www.loosenuptoronto.com
which you might be interested in checking out.
To quote one man who sent an email to the site:
The only thing I might add in your goals section is something about relations between the sexes, which are appalling. I moved here a couple of years ago from New York City after breaking up with my girlfriend of nearly ten years and I can't describe just how difficult it is to meet women here. I go back to New York quite often and thank God because at least I meet women down there. Toronto women are just awful - and, conversely, I understand they say the same thing about Toronto men. So it must be something in the culture, a basic uptightness or fear.
so don't worry Picard, its not you. I have spoken to many men who have visited the city and they say the same thing:
Tiziano Lariani
posted 05-17-2002 09:04 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
my god, do i HATE Toronto!
lived there a total of 8 months for university, then transferred back here to Milan cause i just couldn't take the climate, foood and people anymore.
You are right, toronto women are bad.
They're so superficial it leaves you dumbfounded, and contrary to appearances, they are only POLITE, but definitely not FRIENDLY.
And yes, they tend to me Narcisistic and honestly a bit domineering: i have a feeling that the "pussification" of the worldwide male population began in Canada.
I still have to meet a Canadian man who is able to give a politically incorrect statement or show a bit of balls, it is not in the Canadian tradition i believe.
Conclusion: Toronto sucks, come to Italy, the women are not easier but definitely sweeter and more feminine!
stever
posted 05-22-2002 04:15 PM
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Hey man....yours is a very bitter post but I do agree with some of what you said....
I am 32 & have been in Toronto all my life....the women do have attitude here & if was not for the fact that I have a decent job & family issues here I would be off elsewhere....Toronto is a very cold & materialistic city...but I am sure other large cities are the same - New York, LA, Chicago......
Ottawa & Montreal are great cities..lots of friendly beautiful women...
Dark Nimbus
posted 05-22-2002 06:11 PM
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Damn, I'm glad to hear guys that have been living here all their lives can see this too. Being born in Europe I can clearly see the difference of living here and there. I have been living here for most of my life, but I still have a hard time getting used to the barriers the girls here put up. You're dead on about the girls being VERY materialistic, and living here is f*cking expensive. A typical night out cost me over $40, more when I take the GO up to the city.
I also tend to agree that most of the girls I've met don't have all that much going on upstairs. They're more concerned about how they're percieved from the physical stand-point then what comes out of their mouths.
I'm also noticing a greater increase of gang like mentality happening every year. Kids around here are a bunch of thugs who live in and for their cars. I just heard on the news Toronto is the number 1 city for illegal street racing now, not a big suprise to me. Funny thing is as I'm watching this I see a bunch of cops standing around checking out the cars instead of ticketing these morons.
I can't wait to finish school here and pack my bags for the states. After I make some money I'm thinking about going back to Europe where the women on average are better looking and more fun.
Good luck in Europe.
The Big Bad Wolf
posted 05-22-2002 06:36 PM
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I'm out on the East Coast, in Halifax, and the girls who come from the Toronto/Ontario area to go to college here, are exactly as you described them.
They act very uppeclass-like. I've busted a few of them down, but for the most part, they are a tremendous waste of time. I preffer women who are a little more down to earth, and not so stuck up. It must be the area, because many of my friends have said the same thing.
The Big Bad Wolf
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fir3start3r
This guy is right on one thing.
Toronto women can be cold.
When I used to live in Barrie and come down to the clubs in Toronto, there was always some prevasive air about them.
I have NO idea why, but they did.
Maybe I was just in the wrong clubs?
I never when to clubs looking to pick up women anyways (I never liked their attitude most of the time); I went for the music.
(Besides, I had a women most of the time)
Dude, my suggestion would be to find a club out of the Toronto area.
They seem much friendly there for SOME reason.
For those of you friendly women Tkers; this isn't an attack on you.
It's just an observation from years of clubbing in and around the area.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
scruffy1
Dude, I would have to agree.
Toronto women are cold, sullen faces individuals. And it is only in Toronto that I witness this.
I've had a girlfriend for almost 2 1/2 years (from Ottawa) so when I go out I'm not out to pickup... However, when I'm out partying in Toronto or even just driving down Yonge street it always strikes me as odd that the women here are such *****es, like something is owed to them or that they are better then everyone else.
Admittedly, most guys in Toronto are like that as well but the ratio of cold girls to cold guys is definitely much higher in the girls favour.
I just don't understand it. You go to Montreal and the women there are so pleasant and sexy and in Toronto they are all dark and dismissive, of everyone and look like they think that society owes them.
Can someone explain what women here in Toronto believe they have the right to be so condescending and rude to everyone??
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so don't worry man, Toronto women are ****ed.
sheesh, I feel much better now. I thought I was delusional about TO women being stuck up, uptight, never got laid .
Some people I've spoken to blame the gays, creating a sku'd version of which each gender expects. Others blame the immigrants for creating a society with no cultural tie in with others. We live in an interesting time, because gays can marry, and that has defininte repercussions on roles models, at least in womens expectations.
Don't get me wrong. To be a DJ is to laugh in the face of societies expectations, but there are some factors to consider.
Just two more quick stories.
Once I was at a party in Toronto and I met a guy (25) from Montreal about 4 years ago. Out of the blue, he started about how he found meeting women here in Toronto was like winning the lottery, and that in Montreal, meeting women was easy. He just kept shaking his head about how ludicrous the games and attitude were here.
About 2 years ago, there was a guy (30) my best friend worked with. He was a bartender at a hostel, and he was able to pick up a foreign chick every week. He was considered a ladies man. Then one day out of the blue, he started on about how he found Toronto women cold and difficult to hook up with. He was really exasperated with the women here and said he would stick to the foreigners coming through.
The irony in each of these guys, is not once did I mention to them before hand my thoughts on Toronto women, before they let loose there opinions. Both guys were macho dudes.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is a site:
http://www.loosenuptoronto.com
which you might be interested in checking out.
To quote one man who sent an email to the site:
The only thing I might add in your goals section is something about relations between the sexes, which are appalling. I moved here a couple of years ago from New York City after breaking up with my girlfriend of nearly ten years and I can't describe just how difficult it is to meet women here. I go back to New York quite often and thank God because at least I meet women down there. Toronto women are just awful - and, conversely, I understand they say the same thing about Toronto men. So it must be something in the culture, a basic uptightness or fear.
so don't worry Picard, its not you. I have spoken to many men who have visited the city and they say the same thing:
Tiziano Lariani
posted 05-17-2002 09:04 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
my god, do i HATE Toronto!
lived there a total of 8 months for university, then transferred back here to Milan cause i just couldn't take the climate, foood and people anymore.
You are right, toronto women are bad.
They're so superficial it leaves you dumbfounded, and contrary to appearances, they are only POLITE, but definitely not FRIENDLY.
And yes, they tend to me Narcisistic and honestly a bit domineering: i have a feeling that the "pussification" of the worldwide male population began in Canada.
I still have to meet a Canadian man who is able to give a politically incorrect statement or show a bit of balls, it is not in the Canadian tradition i believe.
Conclusion: Toronto sucks, come to Italy, the women are not easier but definitely sweeter and more feminine!
stever
posted 05-22-2002 04:15 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hey man....yours is a very bitter post but I do agree with some of what you said....
I am 32 & have been in Toronto all my life....the women do have attitude here & if was not for the fact that I have a decent job & family issues here I would be off elsewhere....Toronto is a very cold & materialistic city...but I am sure other large cities are the same - New York, LA, Chicago......
Ottawa & Montreal are great cities..lots of friendly beautiful women...
Dark Nimbus
posted 05-22-2002 06:11 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Damn, I'm glad to hear guys that have been living here all their lives can see this too. Being born in Europe I can clearly see the difference of living here and there. I have been living here for most of my life, but I still have a hard time getting used to the barriers the girls here put up. You're dead on about the girls being VERY materialistic, and living here is f*cking expensive. A typical night out cost me over $40, more when I take the GO up to the city.
I also tend to agree that most of the girls I've met don't have all that much going on upstairs. They're more concerned about how they're percieved from the physical stand-point then what comes out of their mouths.
I'm also noticing a greater increase of gang like mentality happening every year. Kids around here are a bunch of thugs who live in and for their cars. I just heard on the news Toronto is the number 1 city for illegal street racing now, not a big suprise to me. Funny thing is as I'm watching this I see a bunch of cops standing around checking out the cars instead of ticketing these morons.
I can't wait to finish school here and pack my bags for the states. After I make some money I'm thinking about going back to Europe where the women on average are better looking and more fun.
Good luck in Europe.
The Big Bad Wolf
posted 05-22-2002 06:36 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm out on the East Coast, in Halifax, and the girls who come from the Toronto/Ontario area to go to college here, are exactly as you described them.
They act very uppeclass-like. I've busted a few of them down, but for the most part, they are a tremendous waste of time. I preffer women who are a little more down to earth, and not so stuck up. It must be the area, because many of my friends have said the same thing.
The Big Bad Wolf
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fir3start3r
This guy is right on one thing.
Toronto women can be cold.
When I used to live in Barrie and come down to the clubs in Toronto, there was always some prevasive air about them.
I have NO idea why, but they did.
Maybe I was just in the wrong clubs?
I never when to clubs looking to pick up women anyways (I never liked their attitude most of the time); I went for the music.
(Besides, I had a women most of the time)
Dude, my suggestion would be to find a club out of the Toronto area.
They seem much friendly there for SOME reason.
For those of you friendly women Tkers; this isn't an attack on you.
It's just an observation from years of clubbing in and around the area.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
scruffy1
Dude, I would have to agree.
Toronto women are cold, sullen faces individuals. And it is only in Toronto that I witness this.
I've had a girlfriend for almost 2 1/2 years (from Ottawa) so when I go out I'm not out to pickup... However, when I'm out partying in Toronto or even just driving down Yonge street it always strikes me as odd that the women here are such *****es, like something is owed to them or that they are better then everyone else.
Admittedly, most guys in Toronto are like that as well but the ratio of cold girls to cold guys is definitely much higher in the girls favour.
I just don't understand it. You go to Montreal and the women there are so pleasant and sexy and in Toronto they are all dark and dismissive, of everyone and look like they think that society owes them.
Can someone explain what women here in Toronto believe they have the right to be so condescending and rude to everyone??
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is a site:
http://www.loosenuptoronto.com
which you might be interested in checking out.
To quote one man who sent an email to the site:
The only thing I might add in your goals section is something about relations between the sexes, which are appalling. I moved here a couple of years ago from New York City after breaking up with my girlfriend of nearly ten years and I can't describe just how difficult it is to meet women here. I go back to New York quite often and thank God because at least I meet women down there. Toronto women are just awful - and, conversely, I understand they say the same thing about Toronto men. So it must be something in the culture, a basic uptightness or fear.
so don't worry Picard, its not you. I have spoken to many men who have visited the city and they say the same thing:
Tiziano Lariani
posted 05-17-2002 09:04 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
my god, do i HATE Toronto!
lived there a total of 8 months for university, then transferred back here to Milan cause i just couldn't take the climate, foood and people anymore.
You are right, toronto women are bad.
They're so superficial it leaves you dumbfounded, and contrary to appearances, they are only POLITE, but definitely not FRIENDLY.
And yes, they tend to me Narcisistic and honestly a bit domineering: i have a feeling that the "pussification" of the worldwide male population began in Canada.
I still have to meet a Canadian man who is able to give a politically incorrect statement or show a bit of balls, it is not in the Canadian tradition i believe.
Conclusion: Toronto sucks, come to Italy, the women are not easier but definitely sweeter and more feminine!
stever
posted 05-22-2002 04:15 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hey man....yours is a very bitter post but I do agree with some of what you said....
I am 32 & have been in Toronto all my life....the women do have attitude here & if was not for the fact that I have a decent job & family issues here I would be off elsewhere....Toronto is a very cold & materialistic city...but I am sure other large cities are the same - New York, LA, Chicago......
Ottawa & Montreal are great cities..lots of friendly beautiful women...
Dark Nimbus
posted 05-22-2002 06:11 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Damn, I'm glad to hear guys that have been living here all their lives can see this too. Being born in Europe I can clearly see the difference of living here and there. I have been living here for most of my life, but I still have a hard time getting used to the barriers the girls here put up. You're dead on about the girls being VERY materialistic, and living here is f*cking expensive. A typical night out cost me over $40, more when I take the GO up to the city.
I also tend to agree that most of the girls I've met don't have all that much going on upstairs. They're more concerned about how they're percieved from the physical stand-point then what comes out of their mouths.
I'm also noticing a greater increase of gang like mentality happening every year. Kids around here are a bunch of thugs who live in and for their cars. I just heard on the news Toronto is the number 1 city for illegal street racing now, not a big suprise to me. Funny thing is as I'm watching this I see a bunch of cops standing around checking out the cars instead of ticketing these morons.
I can't wait to finish school here and pack my bags for the states. After I make some money I'm thinking about going back to Europe where the women on average are better looking and more fun.
Good luck in Europe.
The Big Bad Wolf
posted 05-22-2002 06:36 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm out on the East Coast, in Halifax, and the girls who come from the Toronto/Ontario area to go to college here, are exactly as you described them.
They act very uppeclass-like. I've busted a few of them down, but for the most part, they are a tremendous waste of time. I preffer women who are a little more down to earth, and not so stuck up. It must be the area, because many of my friends have said the same thing.
The Big Bad Wolf
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fir3start3r
This guy is right on one thing.
Toronto women can be cold.
When I used to live in Barrie and come down to the clubs in Toronto, there was always some prevasive air about them.
I have NO idea why, but they did.
Maybe I was just in the wrong clubs?
I never when to clubs looking to pick up women anyways (I never liked their attitude most of the time); I went for the music.
(Besides, I had a women most of the time)
Dude, my suggestion would be to find a club out of the Toronto area.
They seem much friendly there for SOME reason.
For those of you friendly women Tkers; this isn't an attack on you.
It's just an observation from years of clubbing in and around the area.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
scruffy1
Dude, I would have to agree.
Toronto women are cold, sullen faces individuals. And it is only in Toronto that I witness this.
I've had a girlfriend for almost 2 1/2 years (from Ottawa) so when I go out I'm not out to pickup... However, when I'm out partying in Toronto or even just driving down Yonge street it always strikes me as odd that the women here are such *****es, like something is owed to them or that they are better then everyone else.
Admittedly, most guys in Toronto are like that as well but the ratio of cold girls to cold guys is definitely much higher in the girls favour.
I just don't understand it. You go to Montreal and the women there are so pleasant and sexy and in Toronto they are all dark and dismissive, of everyone and look like they think that society owes them.
Can someone explain what women here in Toronto believe they have the right to be so condescending and rude to everyone??
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so don't worry man, Toronto women are ****ed.
sheesh, I feel much better now. I thought I was delusional about TO women being stuck up, uptight, never got laid .
Some people I've spoken to blame the gays, creating a sku'd version of which each gender expects. Others blame the immigrants for creating a society with no cultural tie in with others. We live in an interesting time, because gays can marry, and that has defininte repercussions on roles models, at least in womens expectations.
Don't get me wrong. To be a DJ is to laugh in the face of societies expectations, but there are some factors to consider.
Just two more quick stories.
Once I was at a party in Toronto and I met a guy (25) from Montreal about 4 years ago. Out of the blue, he started about how he found meeting women here in Toronto was like winning the lottery, and that in Montreal, meeting women was easy. He just kept shaking his head about how ludicrous the games and attitude were here.
About 2 years ago, there was a guy (30) my best friend worked with. He was a bartender at a hostel, and he was able to pick up a foreign chick every week. He was considered a ladies man. Then one day out of the blue, he started on about how he found Toronto women cold and difficult to hook up with. He was really exasperated with the women here and said he would stick to the foreigners coming through.
The irony in each of these guys, is not once did I mention to them before hand my thoughts on Toronto women, before they let loose there opinions. Both guys were macho dudes.
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