Quote: (07-22-2013 10:19 PM)nek Wrote:
Quote: (07-22-2013 10:09 PM)Wadsworth Wrote:
The issue is responsibility. Women in our culture are profoundly irresponsible and it is from this mental puerility that an apparent female lack of justice stems. If you speak to responsible, grown up women (the few that exist), it becomes clear that there is no flaw in the female character where justice is concerned.
Do you think that this lack of justice is a socialized thing or that this is how they are and societal rules have kept it in check up until the last few decades? I tend to think the latter. Not trying to be a 'woman hater' or anything like that, but I've noticed that these things seem to have to be instilled in women, whereas men I think it comes more naturally (I think we'd all agree that civilization is really a male creation, and that requires cooperation which in turn requires a sense of justice).
Well I guess it's socialized, but indirectly so. Western women aren't socialized with much sense of personal responsibility. In many respects many of them are like children. And by the way, how could that not be true? If "patriarchy" is true, as the feminists maintain, and men have been a fatherly figure in their relationships with women, then it implies women have been a child figure in that same relationship. Since our culture has yet to tell women to take responsibility for themselves, they have yet to grow out of that role.
I do know a couple women who have earned my deepest respect, and I can tell you for sure that there is no lacking in their character when it comes to justice or morality.
The problem is that most women in our culture aren't grown ups. What sense of justice do you imagine a child woman could possibly have?
And by the way, this is why debating feminists is neigh impossible. Debating human rights issues with self-absorbed children? How effective do you imagine that would be?
So yeah, I guess you could say I think it's socialized. As a culture we need to start expecting women to get their shit together.
P.S. I wish people in our society wouldn't care so much whether they sound like a "woman hater" or not, women need to grow up and deal with hearing things they don't like without having a temper tantrum about misogyny.