Quote: (03-28-2013 04:24 PM)Giovonny Wrote:
Quote: (03-28-2013 04:02 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:
That 2000s team did not have multiple superstars. Neither did the 2011 Mavs.
I'm not trying to argue with you.
I just disagree.
The 2004 Pistons had multiple stars -- Chancey Billups (Starter on the US National team) - Rasheed Wallace (All Star) - Ben Wallace (Defensive player of the year) - Tayshaun Prince (National team member, one of the best defenders in the league at that time) That's 2 national team members, The defensive player of the year, and multiple All-Stars.
The 2011 Mavs had multiple stars -- Dirk (MVP of the league) - Jason Kidd (One of the best guards of all time/Hall of Famer) - Tyson Chandler (Defensive player of the year) - Shawn Marion (All Star) - Jason Terry (6th man of the year) Thats the MVP, The Defensive Player of the Year, The 6th Man of the Year, and multiple ALL Stars.
You are saying these teams only had 1 star, yet, these teams had mulitple All Stars, and they both had the Defensive Players of the Year in their startng lineup.
I guess we just disagree on what is a "star"???
That's why I listed their names and accomplishments for their championship season.
Not trying to argue with you, I just like breaking this stuff down!
I am not arguing with you either. Funny thing is, I actually agree with everything you just said. That's why I said those teams had one bona-fide superstar and then very good players/all-stars. I am talking about stars from the perspective of top 20-25 players in the league on one team.
Dirk and Billups were the superstars and the rest were extremely good role players, all-stars, and specialists.
I don't think all-stars really means you are a star. This year the Bulls had 2 or 3 all-stars but there's no way they are advancing past the second round (especially if Rose isn't even back).
You have to read my original post on this in the context of TheCool's post.
What I meant was championship teams usually have one or two top 20 players that year and then a bunch of good role players, all-stars, and specialists.
Spurs: TD and Ginobili in their prime + a young TP
Lakers: Extremely Dominant Shaq (maybe the best player for those 4-5 years) + young Kobe
Miami: LBJ and DWade are both top 5 players + another top 20 player
My point is that all these teams have the really good supporting casts that you just mentioned for the Mavs and Pistons, but I don't classify those players as stars (as you mentioned for the Mavs and the Pistons)
For example, Jason Terry even with the 6th Man of the Year award can never be called a star. He was a very good role player in his prime but never a star.
I feel like we are both saying the same thing just a little differently.