I'm reading an excellent book and about 90% the way through called "The rise of the Warrior Cop". The main thesis is that in the last 50 years, ever so slightly the cops have become to resemble the military. But that's beside the point.

One of the quotes in the book, was that something like near 50% of parents said they would turn their kids into the police if they caught them with drugs.

I've heard similar stories about wives calling the cops on husbands after seeing them looking at 'inappropriate' porn, and to me it almost blows my mind.

The second you involve police, you've invoked some next level shit. Records, prohibitions of travel, jail time, literally ruining lives.

Personally, over the last decade I've grown more and more distrustful of cops, and as another poster said, I treat them like rattlesnakes. Useful for killing vermin, but get to close and you'll be struck down all the same. That said, if someone you knew and loved was breaking the law, would you call the cops? At what point? What's the deciding factor? If your kids are into drugs and hurting no one else, would you report them to the police? These cops aren't out to help them. They're out to fuck them as hard as they can with the long dick of the law and make numbers. I'm trying to get my head around why anyone would do that.

No I'd handle my kids myself. Soft drugs done recreationally that doesn't interfere with school or his or her productivity is fine, as long as I don't see them doing it. If they are getting into hard core drugs then I would take disciplinary action, extreme if necessary, to rectify the situation. If it gets that bad and they continue down their path I would renounce them and cast them from my home.

Only time I would consider turning my kids over to the cops would be if they committed a heinous crime.

It'd have to be pretty extreme. Like "premeditated murder of someone who didn't have it coming" extreme.

That said, I'm not going to let a family member fuck me over with their crime. So if I know one of my family members is involved with drugs for example they'd better keep that shit away from my car and my house, because I don't need my property getting seized by the cops. Not saying I'd call the cops on them to solve the problem just I'd make sure I was as insulated as possible from whatever shitstorm they might bring down on themselves.

It's telling of our times, how much statism has soaked the minds of the both the young and the old. The idea that parents would have more loyalty to the state than their family is disgraceful. The idea that someone would even think that, shows how far we are from the principles that serve as the foundation of the nation.

Quote: (11-25-2014 10:19 PM)Seadog Wrote:  

I'm reading an excellent book and about 90% the way through called "The rise of the Warrior Cop". The main thesis is that in the last 50 years, ever so slightly the cops have become to resemble the military. But that's beside the point.

One of the quotes in the book, was that something like near 50% of parents said they would turn their kids into the police if they caught them with drugs.

I've heard similar stories about wives calling the cops on husbands after seeing them looking at 'inappropriate' porn, and to me it almost blows my mind.

The second you involve police, you've invoked some next level shit. Records, prohibitions of travel, jail time, literally ruining lives.

Personally, over the last decade I've grown more and more distrustful of cops, and as another poster said, I treat them like rattlesnakes. Useful for killing vermin, but get to close and you'll be struck down all the same. That said, if someone you knew and loved was breaking the law, would you call the cops? At what point? What's the deciding factor? If your kids are into drugs and hurting no one else, would you report them to the police? These cops aren't out to help them. They're out to fuck them as hard as they can with the long dick of the law and make numbers. I'm trying to get my head around why anyone would do that.

I made the rattlesnake comparison in a thread a while back and I stand by it.

Good book, by the way.

I would turn in a family member if they were an actual rapist, pedo, or murderer (as in they killed an innocent person in cold blood).

If they're a thief, drug dealer, or a gangster who kills other gangsters or whatever I would just tell them that I think what they're doing is wrong and dissociate myself from them.

Would never rat my children out unless I have already previously disowned them

Never.

Quote: (11-25-2014 11:15 PM)zaqan Wrote:  

Never.

So you mean to tell me that if one of your family members abducted a little kid and brought them to the house you wouldn't call the cops on them?

That happened down here, actually.

If I see a kid starting to turn bad, I would do my best to turn that around (spending lots of time together, therapy, discipline, military school, whatever it takes etc...)

As paterfamilias I would be obliged to watch out for every member of the family so if despite my efforts, the kid kept devolving, i.e. getting into hard drugs, gangs, crime, I'd kick the kid out so he wouldn't infect or hurt the rest of my children, and to insulate the family from whatever blowback his actions will yield. Of course, I would welcome him back into the fold should he ask for help and choose to change his path.

For things like murder and pedophilia, I would turn him in to the police and wonder how the hell I fucked up in raising a degenerate piece of shit.

Quote: (11-25-2014 11:26 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Quote: (11-25-2014 11:15 PM)zaqan Wrote:  

Never.

So you mean to tell me that if one of your family members abducted a little kid and brought them to the house you wouldn't call the cops on them?

That happened down here, actually.

Would Don or Michael Corleone have called the cops on his family? You deal with that shit in the family.

Quote: (11-25-2014 11:45 PM)monster Wrote:  

Quote: (11-25-2014 11:26 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Quote: (11-25-2014 11:15 PM)zaqan Wrote:  

Never.

So you mean to tell me that if one of your family members abducted a little kid and brought them to the house you wouldn't call the cops on them?

That happened down here, actually.

Would Don or Michael Corleone have called the cops on his family? You deal with that shit in the family.

If I was already far enough down the rabbit hole to be involved in organized crime I'd kill a family member who was a kidnapper and a kiddy rapist.

Since this is the real world, however, I'd call the cops to deal with it.

You guys mean to tell me that if you walked in on your parents molesting your nephew you wouldn't call the cops? Or if you found out your sibling killed a pregnant woman in cold blood and dumped her dismembered corpse into a swamp, you wouldn't call the cops? Your wife wakes you up one morning by chopping off your cock with a steak knife, you would refuse to call the cops? Do you just live in some kind of fantasy land where everything your family does is justifiable, no matter who's getting shit on?

I'm not saying it's a great idea to call the cops for every little thing, but there's a place and time where it's better to have them than not.

I guess to answer OP, for sure the threshold for calling the cops would be the above. If I caught my kids with drugs I guess it would depend on the drugs and whether or not it was fucking up their lives.

Family bonds have dissolved and people are loyal to the state.
That's wrong and should be resisted. Don't involve the state.
The system is corrupted and the laws are often immoral.

That being said:

If a family member is out of control and a danger to himself, e.g. addicted to drugs, I would involve the cops as a last resort.
Where I live, drug use isn't illegal but viewed as a health issue. You can't be arrested for taking pills, so you don't have to worry when you're partying with friends and someone needs to go to the hospital. Only possession, production and distribution is a crime. The punishment isn't harsh for possessing stuff for own use. You won't go to prison, but will get a fine at most.

If someone isn't reasonable anymore, and in a downward spiral, I would hope an arrest would send him to involuntary rehab. I hope someone would do the same for me. If the laws were like in the USA, I don't know what I'd do.

Quote: (11-26-2014 02:27 AM)Hades Wrote:  

Or if you found out your sibling killed a pregnant woman in cold blood and dumped her dismembered corpse into a swamp, you wouldn't call the cops? Your wife wakes you up one morning by chopping off your cock with a steak knife, you would refuse to call the cops? Do you just live in some kind of fantasy land where everything your family does is justifiable, no matter who's getting shit on?

Call the cops? I would call my brothers to help hide her body.

Only if they would be a threat to lives or life changing injury of innocents.

Nothing else including domestic violence or fraud.

Quote: (11-26-2014 02:27 AM)Hades Wrote:  

You guys mean to tell me that if you walked in on your parents molesting your nephew you wouldn't call the cops? Or if you found out your sibling killed a pregnant woman in cold blood and dumped her dismembered corpse into a swamp, you wouldn't call the cops? Your wife wakes you up one morning by chopping off your cock with a steak knife, you would refuse to call the cops? Do you just live in some kind of fantasy land where everything your family does is justifiable, no matter who's getting shit on?

I'm not saying it's a great idea to call the cops for every little thing, but there's a place and time where it's better to have them than not.

I guess to answer OP, for sure the threshold for calling the cops would be the above. If I caught my kids with drugs I guess it would depend on the drugs and whether or not it was fucking up their lives.

My brothers, parents or children. Never. Justice would be served within the family.

My wife, I would call the cops immediately on any crime she was committing intentionally, especially if it looked like I was involved or at risk. She would have no respect for me to be doing that and the divorce shoe would soon be dropping so I might as well strike first and hard.

Quote: (11-26-2014 07:47 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

Quote: (11-26-2014 02:27 AM)Hades Wrote:  

You guys mean to tell me that if you walked in on your parents molesting your nephew you wouldn't call the cops? Or if you found out your sibling killed a pregnant woman in cold blood and dumped her dismembered corpse into a swamp, you wouldn't call the cops? Your wife wakes you up one morning by chopping off your cock with a steak knife, you would refuse to call the cops? Do you just live in some kind of fantasy land where everything your family does is justifiable, no matter who's getting shit on?

I'm not saying it's a great idea to call the cops for every little thing, but there's a place and time where it's better to have them than not.

I guess to answer OP, for sure the threshold for calling the cops would be the above. If I caught my kids with drugs I guess it would depend on the drugs and whether or not it was fucking up their lives.

My brothers, parents or children. Never. Justice would be served within the family.

My wife, I would call the cops immediately on any crime she was committing intentionally, especially if it looked like I was involved or at risk. She would have no respect for me to be doing that and the divorce shoe would soon be dropping so I might as well strike first and hard.

I guess if you don't mind me asking, what kind of internal justice can you administer that wouldn't be a crime?

Quote: (11-26-2014 08:24 AM)Hades Wrote:  

Quote: (11-26-2014 07:47 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

Quote: (11-26-2014 02:27 AM)Hades Wrote:  

You guys mean to tell me that if you walked in on your parents molesting your nephew you wouldn't call the cops? Or if you found out your sibling killed a pregnant woman in cold blood and dumped her dismembered corpse into a swamp, you wouldn't call the cops? Your wife wakes you up one morning by chopping off your cock with a steak knife, you would refuse to call the cops? Do you just live in some kind of fantasy land where everything your family does is justifiable, no matter who's getting shit on?

I'm not saying it's a great idea to call the cops for every little thing, but there's a place and time where it's better to have them than not.

I guess to answer OP, for sure the threshold for calling the cops would be the above. If I caught my kids with drugs I guess it would depend on the drugs and whether or not it was fucking up their lives.

My brothers, parents or children. Never. Justice would be served within the family.

My wife, I would call the cops immediately on any crime she was committing intentionally, especially if it looked like I was involved or at risk. She would have no respect for me to be doing that and the divorce shoe would soon be dropping so I might as well strike first and hard.

I guess if you don't mind me asking, what kind of internal justice can you administer that wouldn't be a crime?

Oh the internal justice would certainly be considered a crime, they will know that if they try to get the family member delivering punishment arrested they will be turned in for their own crimes.

Thats a key point I guess, their crimes would be brought before the family, not just say between myself and the individual sibling. My Dad and my other brothers would be in the know. A good point also, is that its all male siblings.

Quote: (11-25-2014 10:19 PM)Seadog Wrote:  

That said, if someone you knew and loved was breaking the law, would you call the cops? At what point? What's the deciding factor?

If they'd done a murder or some serious crime against children.

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If your kids are into drugs and hurting no one else, would you report them to the police?

Hell no. For one thing, it'd be hypocritical. I smoked a bit of weed when I was younger, it never did me any harm.

For another thing, while I don't advocate any form of drug use, I was a high functioning alcoholic for nearly a decade and I know what addiction is like. It's a sneaky bastard that creeps up on you while you're having fun.

Nobody decides to become a drug addict or a drunk, it's something that happens over time because you gradually come to depend on your substance of choice, and you need ever greater amounts to achieve that blissful state.

You can't cure an addict through force. They have to make the choice themselves. Prisons are full of drugs, so putting a drug user into the criminal justice system is only going to make his addiction worse, as well as destroying his life for no good reason.

When I stopped drinking it was the worst experience of my life. I had raging flu-like symptoms for nearly three weeks. I was weak and couldn't sleep and had a pounding headache and aching joints and my liver started hurting, probably because it was sobering up for the first time in 10 years too.

I can't imagine being able to go through an experience like that at the same time as being shoved through the meat grinder of the criminal justice system. I'd probably have ended up drinking anything I could get my hands on.

Paedophillia and probably violent rape would be the only crimes I would report kin for.

Quote: (11-25-2014 11:26 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Quote: (11-25-2014 11:15 PM)zaqan Wrote:  

Never.

So you mean to tell me that if one of your family members abducted a little kid and brought them to the house you wouldn't call the cops on them?

That happened down here, actually.

We need to be able to resolve things without bringing in the local power Gang. Thats how crime is actually prevented. By direct community involvement at the outset. When crime prevention and prosecution was turned over to the government, crime skyrocketed. How many pedophiles existed in 1800? How many rapists? Robbers? Murderers?

Is this the most famous example of this?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/se...-unabomber

Easy for all of us armchair quarterbacks to go one way or the other; this guy actually had to do it for the most notorious killer in America.

My mom called the RCMP on my older brother several times when we were younger and they took him away, if I was in her shoes, I would have done the same thing. My father wasn't around to kick my bro's ass (actually he left after my bro beat him with a baseball bat and threatened to kill him, but that's another story) and my brother would come home strung out on crack and trash our house, basically he terrorized the household and we never knew what the fuck he was going to do next. He would steal shit from my sister and I and sell it, I remember seeing older kids in my neighborhood wearing my clothes that he stole from me and sold to them to buy drugs, it was pretty bad. Until you've been in situations like that its hard to say what you'd do but I don't blame my mother one bit for what she did. All of this stuff happened almost twenty years ago and now we all get along pretty well, my bro is still pretty fucked up, but I love him nonetheless.

If you don't like them..turn them in. Means OT!

You never know until you are confronted with such a situation. I am not a father but I do believe in "tough love" approach if other strategies have been tried.