This is beta as fuck, but I have to admit, I LOVE the forum. I love the forum more than any girl in a while and I wholeheartedly admit it.

I cannot discuss red-pill thoughts with anyone else but here. I cannot get great advice on women like I can on here. I cannot connect with other men like I can here. I certainly can't imagine Jezebel's forum being like this, all I can imagine is catty behavior and point scoring.

I've not been here long, but all I can say is: Thanks for the sound advice and male camaraderie!

The thing I love about this forum, is that I can ask any question, post about nearly any experience, and there are like-minded men here who can relate and advise.

Roosh made a blog post at one point about how the average woman's advice is never better than an average man's. I'd take it a few steps further and say that the average person's advice is worth far less than a fellow RVF'ers.

The only place where I can ask about the military, bongs, a rash infected dick and how to seduce Russian women into giving up their booty holes.

This is an island of reason and sanity in the fembot reality we re all forced to live in right now.

It's crazy because even amongst my player friends, it's taboo to trash women's behavior in any way that doesn't line-up with liberal thought. And, I am liberal! they say i'm sexist.

I've tried to talk to people about some of the stuff we have talked about here and they get really pissed about it. I've tried telling one guy I know how women are all really just a bunch of sluts and tried to show him why, but he won't have any of it.

Quote: (01-21-2013 06:10 AM)soup Wrote:  

It's crazy because even amongst my player friends, it's taboo to trash women's behavior in any way that doesn't line-up with liberal thought. And, I am liberal! they say i'm sexist.

Quote: (01-21-2013 06:16 AM)esperar Wrote:  

I've tried to talk to people about some of the stuff we have talked about here and they get really pissed about it. I've tried telling one guy I know how women are all really just a bunch of sluts and tried to show him why, but he won't have any of it.

Both these highlight what I call a "I don't like it because I didn't discover it" complex many people have. Its like they think you're showing off or acting all enlightened when all you are really doing is spreading knowledge you think is vitally important. I had the same reaction when I first saw some 9/11 and Fed Reserve conspiracy videos...People are either dismissive or think you're weird.

You're not a truther, are you?

It's difficult to talk to others when they've not taken the pill, when they are stuck in a reality that has been created for them from birth, when they have been nurtured into that and raised within those social constructs.

It is hard to unlearn all that has been learnt, it is hard to see what can't be seen until it's experienced. I've tried myself to incorporate two of my younger cousins into the red pill environment, they've seen the success I have had with women, but neither has the will nor fortitude to delve into this and leave their reality. The reason is experience, they've not experienced trying to pick up a girl using game, they've not tried and tested for months/years, they want instant gratification, it's sort of similar to the guys who buy a guitar, leave it sitting in their room but never play it. They want to instantly learn how to play like Bob Dylan, but they don't want to experience the learning part, the baby steps, the hard graft.

I'm lucky I have 2 buddies well versed in what is known on these forums.

Quote: (01-21-2013 10:52 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

It's difficult to talk to others when they've not taken the pill, when they are stuck in a reality that has been created for them from birth, when they have been nurtured into that and raised within those social constructs.

It is hard to unlearn all that has been learnt, it is hard to see what can't be seen until it's experienced. I've tried myself to incorporate two of my younger cousins into the red pill environment, they've seen the success I have had with women, but neither has the will nor fortitude to delve into this and leave their reality. The reason is experience, they've not experienced trying to pick up a girl using game, they've not tried and tested for months/years, they want instant gratification, it's sort of similar to the guys who buy a guitar, leave it sitting in their room but never play it. They want to instantly learn how to play like Bob Dylan, but they don't want to experience the learning part, the baby steps, the hard graft.

I'm lucky I have 2 buddies well versed in what is known on these forums.

I've met a dozen guys here and you know what sets them apart that's the most noticeable immediately?

They don't cockblock. Most guys do it and don't even know.

Quote: (01-21-2013 11:00 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2013 10:52 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

It's difficult to talk to others when they've not taken the pill, when they are stuck in a reality that has been created for them from birth, when they have been nurtured into that and raised within those social constructs.

It is hard to unlearn all that has been learnt, it is hard to see what can't be seen until it's experienced. I've tried myself to incorporate two of my younger cousins into the red pill environment, they've seen the success I have had with women, but neither has the will nor fortitude to delve into this and leave their reality. The reason is experience, they've not experienced trying to pick up a girl using game, they've not tried and tested for months/years, they want instant gratification, it's sort of similar to the guys who buy a guitar, leave it sitting in their room but never play it. They want to instantly learn how to play like Bob Dylan, but they don't want to experience the learning part, the baby steps, the hard graft.

I'm lucky I have 2 buddies well versed in what is known on these forums.

I've met a dozen guys here and you know what sets them apart that's the most noticeable immediately?

They don't cockblock. Most guys do it and don't even know.

Yes, that's so fucking true, one instance that I was always remember was I was in Alicante in a club talking to this cute spanish chick, we were sitting side by side and she was receptive, all of a sudden I have 5/6 ice cubes thrown down my back, I get up to turn around to see who did it and it's one of my friends friends whose laughing away, I turn back and the girl got up and walked off. It really pissed me off but it happened all weekend, out of a group of 10 guys I was the only one actually getting past the approach. For him what was a joke was for me a cock block, I ended up going out daygaming by myself on the Saturday just to ensure I wasn't cock blocked.

Quote: (01-21-2013 11:09 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2013 11:00 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2013 10:52 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

It's difficult to talk to others when they've not taken the pill, when they are stuck in a reality that has been created for them from birth, when they have been nurtured into that and raised within those social constructs.

It is hard to unlearn all that has been learnt, it is hard to see what can't be seen until it's experienced. I've tried myself to incorporate two of my younger cousins into the red pill environment, they've seen the success I have had with women, but neither has the will nor fortitude to delve into this and leave their reality. The reason is experience, they've not experienced trying to pick up a girl using game, they've not tried and tested for months/years, they want instant gratification, it's sort of similar to the guys who buy a guitar, leave it sitting in their room but never play it. They want to instantly learn how to play like Bob Dylan, but they don't want to experience the learning part, the baby steps, the hard graft.

I'm lucky I have 2 buddies well versed in what is known on these forums.

I've met a dozen guys here and you know what sets them apart that's the most noticeable immediately?

They don't cockblock. Most guys do it and don't even know.

Yes, that's so fucking true, one instance that I was always remember was I was in Alicante in a club talking to this cute spanish chick, we were sitting side by side and she was receptive, all of a sudden I have 5/6 ice cubes thrown down my back, I get up to turn around to see who did it and it's one of my friends friends whose laughing away, I turn back and the girl got up and walked off. It really pissed me off but it happened all weekend, out of a group of 10 guys I was the only one actually getting past the approach. For him what was a joke was for me a cock block, I ended up going out daygaming by myself on the Saturday just to ensure I wasn't cock blocked.

Yup. The one thing that always got me is they expect to leave with you at the end of the night and get mad when you disappear..Really dude? You think I'm playing games here?

Quote: (01-21-2013 10:00 AM)esperar Wrote:  

You're not a truther, are you?

I don't know what I am, I don't want to be pigeonholed as anything. If you must though, then I'm a skeptic.

The official story, and it is a story, insults my intelligence. If that makes me a 'truther', then I suppose I am.

Quote: (01-21-2013 11:09 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

Yes, that's so fucking true, one instance that I was always remember was I was in Alicante in a club talking to this cute spanish chick, we were sitting side by side and she was receptive, all of a sudden I have 5/6 ice cubes thrown down my back, I get up to turn around to see who did it and it's one of my friends friends whose laughing away, I turn back and the girl got up and walked off. It really pissed me off but it happened all weekend, out of a group of 10 guys I was the only one actually getting past the approach. For him what was a joke was for me a cock block, I ended up going out daygaming by myself on the Saturday just to ensure I wasn't cock blocked.

Honestly, if a "friends friend" did that to me, I would have thrown my rocks glass at his head.

You're not a feminist, are you?

Argue the ideas, don't shame them.

Quote: (01-21-2013 10:00 AM)esperar Wrote:  

You're not a truther, are you?

This forum has changed my life. Not just about girls and getting laid, but it has opened my eyes to the world of possibilities that awaits a man who is determined and willing to work for what he wants.

I now know that all the things I'm supposed to do (house, wife, kids, debt, government cubicle job) are not right for me and I'm going to follow my own path. Even if I end up failing, this forum has taught me that there are so many things to enrich our short life you have to give it a shot.

I used to worry about how I was going to get that cubicle job to get the house and know I was going to hate it. Now I am excited for the future, whatever may come.

Thanks to everyone on the forum, your contributions have made my life better.

I started SS, blending, intermittent fasting from this forum. Good travel ideas w/some recommended spots to check out. Whats not to like.

Plus some good humour to lighten my day when I am in between patients.

Quote: (01-21-2013 01:30 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

You're not a feminist, are you?

Argue the ideas, don't shame them.

Quote: (01-21-2013 10:00 AM)esperar Wrote:  

You're not a truther, are you?

Sure, I can do that, but which conspiracy does he believe in exactly? If it's the bombs in the building one, I can do that. That conspiracy makes no sense at all.

I really love how I don't have to skip around my ideas here in the forum.

Before I have the chance to even scratch the surface telling friends the observations that fly around here like planes at Heathrow, I have to establish the song and dance pretense of being unsure of what I'm talking about as I drop the facts and figures and then always leave my conclusions unstated.

All of them are receptive to the ideas, but they can't handle it straight just yet.

Quote: (01-21-2013 01:39 PM)esperar Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2013 01:30 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

You're not a feminist, are you?

Argue the ideas, don't shame them.

Quote: (01-21-2013 10:00 AM)esperar Wrote:  

You're not a truther, are you?

Sure, I can do that, but which conspiracy does he believe in exactly? If it's the bombs in the building one, I can do that. That conspiracy makes no sense at all.

The idea that an uneducated group of men could hijack U.S airliners armed with little more than box cutters, hit 90 percent of their targets, bypass U.S National Defence etc... All the while, it comes out that NORAD was asked to stand down because the CIA were doing mock exercises that involved planes hitting skyscrapers?! Then it comes out that the hijackers had been training in the U.S under suspicious circumstances and blah, blah, blah. Furthermore, you have to ask yourself why hasn't it happened again? Did the U.S defense get upgraded ten-fold overnight? I'm not saying it was done on purpose, maybe it was. However, I'm almost certain it was allowed to happen on purpose.

I'm not an expert, but some people are, and they include high ranking intelligence officials, not just tin-foil hat weirdos. If you want me to send you some very disturbing/eye-opening documentaries, reports etc, I'll be happy to P.M them to you. Alex Jones came across as a nutter on Piers Morgan, indeed. However, what he said regarding "criminal elements of the military industrial complex" is pretty much what I believe also.

Quote: (01-21-2013 06:10 AM)soup Wrote:  

It's crazy because even amongst my player friends, it's taboo to trash women's behavior in any way that doesn't line-up with liberal thought. And, I am liberal! they say i'm sexist.

I've always considered myself a liberal in the modern sense of the word. 100 years ago I'd probably be considered a Republican though. To a certain extent, I think people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want that makes them happy. This modern Bible thumping, abortion-obsessed right wing has really shot themselves in the foot.

That liberalism only goes so far as my ideals though. When I'm out on the street, I expect women to play their part if I'm gonna give them the time of day. I guess that makes me a bit traditional and conservative in a sense.

Quote: (01-21-2013 02:03 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2013 01:39 PM)esperar Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2013 01:30 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

You're not a feminist, are you?

Argue the ideas, don't shame them.

Quote: (01-21-2013 10:00 AM)esperar Wrote:  

You're not a truther, are you?

Sure, I can do that, but which conspiracy does he believe in exactly? If it's the bombs in the building one, I can do that. That conspiracy makes no sense at all.

The idea that an uneducated group of men could hijack U.S airliners armed with little more than box cutters, hit 90 percent of their targets, bypass U.S National Defence etc... All the while, it comes out that NORAD was asked to stand down because the CIA were doing mock exercises that involved planes hitting skyscrapers?! Then it comes out that the hijackers had been training in the U.S under suspicious circumstances and blah, blah, blah. Furthermore, you have to ask yourself why hasn't it happened again? Did the U.S defense get upgraded ten-fold overnight? I'm not saying it was done on purpose, maybe it was. However, I'm almost certain it was allowed to happen on purpose.

I'm not an expert, but some people are, and they include high ranking intelligence officials, not just tin-foil hat weirdos. If you want me to send you some very disturbing/eye-opening documentaries, reports etc, I'll be happy to P.M them to you. Alex Jones came across as a nutter on Piers Morgan, indeed. However, what he said regarding "criminal elements of the military industrial complex" is pretty much what I believe also.

Noone can say for sure what happened on 9/11, but many very intelligent people have come up with some almost irrefutable evidence about what DIDN'T happen. And you can count my voice alongside those people, in that those buildings did NOT come down because a plane crashed into them. When a whole hell of a lot of firefighters, engineers, contractors, and demolition experts say, "Hey! That looks like a controlled demolition!" you might want to listen.

Quote: (01-21-2013 02:32 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2013 02:03 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2013 01:39 PM)esperar Wrote:  

Quote: (01-21-2013 01:30 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

You're not a feminist, are you?

Argue the ideas, don't shame them.

Quote: (01-21-2013 10:00 AM)esperar Wrote:  

You're not a truther, are you?

Sure, I can do that, but which conspiracy does he believe in exactly? If it's the bombs in the building one, I can do that. That conspiracy makes no sense at all.

The idea that an uneducated group of men could hijack U.S airliners armed with little more than box cutters, hit 90 percent of their targets, bypass U.S National Defence etc... All the while, it comes out that NORAD was asked to stand down because the CIA were doing mock exercises that involved planes hitting skyscrapers?! Then it comes out that the hijackers had been training in the U.S under suspicious circumstances and blah, blah, blah. Furthermore, you have to ask yourself why hasn't it happened again? Did the U.S defense get upgraded ten-fold overnight? I'm not saying it was done on purpose, maybe it was. However, I'm almost certain it was allowed to happen on purpose.

I'm not an expert, but some people are, and they include high ranking intelligence officials, not just tin-foil hat weirdos. If you want me to send you some very disturbing/eye-opening documentaries, reports etc, I'll be happy to P.M them to you. Alex Jones came across as a nutter on Piers Morgan, indeed. However, what he said regarding "criminal elements of the military industrial complex" is pretty much what I believe also.

Noone can say for sure what happened on 9/11, but many very intelligent people have come up with some almost irrefutable evidence about what DIDN'T happen. And you can count my voice alongside those people, in that those buildings did NOT come down because a plane crashed into them. When a whole hell of a lot of firefighters, engineers, contractors, and demolition experts say, "Hey! That looks like a controlled demolition!" you might want to listen.

My only problem with the demolition thing is that it would have taken A LOT of people to be keeping their mouths closed. All the demolition experts who would have had to have rigged the building in advance etc. It could be military special ops though I suppose at night or something and you're right that many academics etc have given validity to this theory. However, I still think the most likely one is the LIHOP on, Let It Happen On Purpose, to advance 'The Project for the New American Century". Look it up, fascinating document.