(Referring back to hooker vs. less desirable thread)

Just got turned down by the chubby cashier at Office Max. Pretty face, nice skin, very smart girl but not too cynical (rare combo for americans), possibility of real affection, way better than a hooker FOR MY PERSONAL TASTES. I'm not being proud, I've only had one GF who was 9+ and it is truly an aesthetic experience that's totally on another level.

They thing I worry about with a hot hooker is getting addicted to her.
400 bucks a week just to see her a couple hours a week would screw up my finances big-time.

We were bantering about how all she does is work, study and suffer. l I told her if I called her she would suffer less.

I came on cheesy but didn't really care, I can tell she likes me even if she has some block

( I started talking about her suffering as she had talked about being broke.)
Anyway,Ms Office Max hesitated badly and said " I can't ".
She's maybe got a borefriend or was worried she'd get spotted and in trouble. Between 1/3 and 1/2 my age, thanks for the good genes, Mom!!

She's, say, 20 and I look early 40's.

I'm only opening about 5x a week and trying to number close about once, so I've got to get started somewhere.

Suggestions?

Quote: (09-23-2010 10:57 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

They thing I worry about with a hot hooker is getting addicted to her.

If you are not sure you can control your feelings, there is absolutely no reason to be with any hooker more than once. It is the beauty of paid sex - the investment is the same whether you're getting the same girl or a completely different girl.

Basically my best advice is to not give a fuck, and if you're doing day game utilize situational, observational, and opinion openers. After opening try to find a topic or something to connect on or something interesting to build a conversation on. Five approaches a week is not bad if you're starting off in the "game", but why only try to number close 1 out of the 5? I know not every approach will pan out well, but if you're approaching women that you actually are attracted to and interested in, then you might as well try to get numbers from most of them. It's like someone said on these forum or another game blog it's all about the ABC's, (Always Be Closing!!). Right now I'm tied up with two girlfriends, but when I was coming up and trying to improve my game, I would do practice approaches all the time, and would often get blown out. Crashing and burning is something you will have to accept if you want to improve, I'd say if you're doing 5 approaches a week on girls you're actually interested in, that's cool, otherwise I'd step it up to 10 if you're doing practice approaches as well. Also, you got to ask yourself, what's your current endgoal at the moment, satisfy your urge for sex and end a dry spell, or find a hot ass girl that you're into and want to date? Like puas talk about venue selection, there is also the component of sizing up the women and situations to be successful, for example if I'm at a bar, and looking for an easy SNL will I approach the group of four HB 8+ girls that are having a "girls night out" or the cute young girl, who's sitting at the bar by herself looking lonely and drinking profusely?

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Obviously at your age you will have to approach women in a completely different way than most of us guys in our 20s and 30s. I'm just wondering what sparked the decision to suddenly develop game. If it was a divorce, your best bet is to probably find other divorcees online with whom you would have more in common. That way you can get the ball rolling and have the right frame of mind before you try with the younger girls.

Girls nowadays are a handful, and things are probably a lot different than what you were used to coming up. I mean that in a completely non-offensive way.

Quote: (09-24-2010 11:42 AM)feomuerto Wrote:  

Girls nowadays are a handful, and things are probably a lot different than what you were used to coming up. I mean that in a completely non-offensive way.

Thanks a lot for input.

You're right about laying older chicks first so you are arrogantly confident with the young ones.

Goal: Hot young wife with possible kids.

Re: question of what I've been doing-- I've been busting ass learning a profession/getting licensed so I make a very good living now (low 6 figures) in about 15 hours a week, most of which I schedule myself, and can live in 2nd or 3rd world country without working at all.

About women today--
Acually, there's been an interesting couple generations since I was in college. When I was High school, girls weren't all bitchy about feminism and if you had the balls to try, many would go along, but many of us were clumsy and inhibited, there was no easily available hard core porn to make sex appear real to betas. Remember NO internet, only some kind of creepy adult book stores never in small towns.

Then, the smart girls in my generation started getting all hissy about the limits placed on them ( with reason, a woman doctor should make the same as an equivalent man.) In grad school 15 years ago, the chicks (except the young Canadian ones ) were insufferable misandrists. I almost got thrown out for calling them out on their intractable anger.

But now, I think you guys have it easy. I think there's MUCH more social pressure on young women to be getting some, they're considered losers if they rarely have sex, don't you think? They don't want to be labelled sluts, but they have to prove they can get laid. I think where you do have it harder is that it's more acceptable to be rude, in particular the flaking thing. I am biased because I was raised in a pretty upper-crust community, but no-showing without calling is to me unbelievably rude-- something a real trash/ghetto character does, or someone with serious emotional problems.

People don't become rich no-showing.

Excuse the rant on why it's not too smart to have kids here, but those of you going "raw dawg" might want to think about what 20 years or more of absolute judicial control of your life might be like. A chick can lie about birth control, say she'll get an abortion but be unable to go through with it, and YOU pay. No matter what. If you owe over $5000 in child support, you CAN'T GET A PASSPORT. I personally know someone it happened to.

I can't have kids here in US, even if I busted ass with Game and got the hot young wife, if we had kids-- everything I worked for for 20 years would be gone in 2-3 years, along with her, through the Family Courts.

Can't take that risk, too old to start all over again. Not SURE I want kids but here in the US you're insane to have them, out of my $1300/mo investment income, she'd get maybe $1000 for child support. 15 years of work down the drain.

I work in the health care system, and I see the battered guys paying child support based on income a court clerk-- someone without any accounting experience-- arbitrarily decided was what he "should" be making rather than his actual real income. It's called "imputed income."
The calculation took about 15 seconds-- "Oh, you're a union carpenter, you should be making xx." Then the clerk wrote that number down as what his payments would be based on. Done. Shut up, the judge is talking now.

If you don't know this, the States get co-payments from the Federal government for child support collected. Sometimes they won't let you work things out with direct payments between you and your ex-- they REQUIRE the money to go through them. So even if your ex doesn't hate you and feel she deserves all your money, the courts might make things the same as if she did.

For all practical purposes, once you have a child here SHE OWNS YOU unless you have over a couple million, so losing half wouldn't matter to your lifestyle. You MIGHT get lucky and get joint custody so you have kids half the time, but women are usually too dumb to make good money, so you'll STILL be paying her to fuck someone else.

Think about that: Paying her to fuck someone else.

You better have some serious Jedi mind control along with a boatload of Zen detachment to not let that bother you.

So, ahem, where was I? So although I am pretty much through with American women, game I develop here is going to help me get the 9 instead of the 8 over there, so I'm sort of practicing even though I don't want an American woman long-term.

Whew, got a little carried away there.

Find your niece... think what is your strenght and find your dating niece.. everyone in here have something they are good at.. Roosh for instance he is good at picking up ugly chicks , etc etc

Quote: (09-24-2010 12:54 PM)Quasi Wrote:  

Find your niece... think what is your strenght and find your dating niece.. everyone in here have something they are good at.. Roosh for instance he is good at picking up ugly chicks , etc etc

Quasi: Yes, that's a good idea as well. Specialize. I'm learning Russian! As you said, "finding your strength"-- I find a moody, very smart guy who's NOT RICH goes over much better there. Someone like me (doctorate, 99th%ile on graduate entrance exams in US) is WAY more respected in EE than in US.

Here it's like "Is he cute? What kind of car/house does he have?" You need f'in MILLIONS if you're over 40 and not totally charismatic wih perfect Game.


( I think you meant "niche", a limited area in which one becomes very competent, rather than "niece", a sibling's child.)

hehe yeah sorry Im not native speaking english and rather tired atm, so Im just typing, either way I think finding someones niece, might be a good idea but I meant niche... Im on my way to postdoc to, but going to go for second cand.. fuck it.. Im crazy..
Yeah think out of the box.. and make a plan, find the type of girls that work for you and work them, forget the rest.. enjoy your gifts.. never bemoan the game..